The last known German soldiers to be released from the SU

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Re: The last known German soldiers to be released from the S

Post by ISU-152 » 10 Apr 2003 08:39

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DarExc wrote:When were the last German POW's released from the soviet union? I know most were there until the mid 50's but I have heard tales of some not getting out until the 70's? Was this concidered a war crime even though the Russians had no rules on keeping prisoners? Also what was done about it if anything?
Soviet Union had sent German Pows to Gulag Slave labour camps located in Siberia.

There is no record of no german pows lost in gulag system.

German pows were source of free labour to ussr
This is usual babbling:Siberia, Siberia, Siberia. Do you know what parts of USSR are called Siberia or you are just parroting someone else who said it first?
There was a large POW camp outside of Kyiv, where lived german pows who restored Kyiv right after the war. Most of them were released by 1950. Do you think I live in Siberia too? :P Sometimes I have a feeling that Mr. Panzermahn and Wildboar are one and the same troll with 30 years old parrot rhetorics.

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Post by tonyh » 10 Apr 2003 15:34

Well, my friends grand father who was in the RAD didn't get home from Russia til 1951. He drove a truck in Russia, some war criminal.

Erich Hartmann was in Soviet camps for ten years after the war.

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Post by Kokampf » 10 Apr 2003 16:53

David Thompson wrote:From the New York Times 12 Apr 1998:
Good grief. I'd never heard this story before and I am extremely moved by this poor old man's plight and that he still lived to see Japan again after so many years of virtually unimaginable suffering. I really hope there is no-one still alive and forgotten out there in any former GULAG facilities (ordinary Russian prisons today are bad enough). Of course the Chinese Laogai system (http://www.laogai.org/), built according to the Soviet model, still operates, as, apparently, does an equivalent system in North Korea. :(

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Re: The last known German soldiers to be released from the S

Post by Kokampf » 10 Apr 2003 17:12

ISU-152 wrote:This is usual babbling:Siberia, Siberia, Siberia. Do you know what parts of USSR are called Siberia or you are just parroting someone else who said it first?
There was a large POW camp outside of Kyiv, where lived german pows who restored Kyiv right after the war. Most of them were released by 1950. Do you think I live in Siberia too? :P Sometimes I have a feeling that Mr. Panzermahn and Wildboar are one and the same troll with 30 years old parrot rhetorics.
Of course, many categories of inmates of the prison and GULAG system were also used as slave labour in the pre-war period on major construction projects in many parts of the USSR. Your local German POWs working in Kyiv were some of the luckier ones, others undoubtedly went to the terrible Arctic camps that have made the name GULAG most notorious, for instance the Kolyma / Magadan complex.

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Post by Panzermahn » 12 Apr 2003 18:24

This is usual babbling:Siberia, Siberia, Siberia. Do you know what parts of USSR are called Siberia or you are just parroting someone else who said it first?
There was a large POW camp outside of Kyiv, where lived german pows who restored Kyiv right after the war. Most of them were released by 1950. Do you think I live in Siberia too? Sometimes I have a feeling that Mr. Panzermahn and Wildboar are one and the same troll with 30 years old parrot rhetorics
Only the Bolsheviks are so lucky to have spacious siberia to keep millions of freeslave labor (mostly german pows) to do construction work for the glorious Bolshevik Nation...

If Konrad Adenauer didn't plead with the Bolshevik kruschev in 1955 with economic treaty and concessions to the poor russian bolshevik economy at that time, the german POWs would have been held longer to work for the Soviet Union...

For example, the 90,000 german soldiers and their allies who were captured at stalingrad, were released in 1955-57 after 12 years of imprisonment.

Another good example is, in 1962, the Bolsheviks released 50 flemish prisoners of war captured during the 1944 battle of Narva, after 18 years of imrpisonment...

But to be fair and objective, i do agree that some of the germans (especially young and teenage germans) were released by the Bolsheviks before 1950 for the purpose of world disinformatsiya. That is to show that the Bolsheviks are compassionate too...

In Cornelius Ryan's book (most of the information are given by the russians themselves), a 15 year old Hitler Youth private who fought in battle of Berlin, Willy Feidheim was released after 2 years imprisonment in gulag...He is one of the luckier ones

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Post by Panzermahn » 12 Apr 2003 18:25

This is usual babbling:Siberia, Siberia, Siberia. Do you know what parts of USSR are called Siberia or you are just parroting someone else who said it first?
There was a large POW camp outside of Kyiv, where lived german pows who restored Kyiv right after the war. Most of them were released by 1950. Do you think I live in Siberia too? Sometimes I have a feeling that Mr. Panzermahn and Wildboar are one and the same troll with 30 years old parrot rhetorics
Only the Bolsheviks are so lucky to have spacious siberia to keep millions of freeslave labor (mostly german pows) to do construction work for the glorious Bolshevik Nation...

If Konrad Adenauer didn't plead with the Bolshevik kruschev in 1955 with economic treaty and concessions to the poor russian bolshevik economy at that time, the german POWs would have been held longer to work for the Soviet Union...

For example, the 90,000 german soldiers and their allies who were captured at stalingrad, were released in 1955-57 after 12 years of imprisonment.

Another good example is, in 1962, the Bolsheviks released 50 flemish prisoners of war captured during the 1944 battle of Narva, after 18 years of imrpisonment...

But to be fair and objective, i do agree that some of the germans (especially young and teenage germans) were released by the Bolsheviks before 1950 for the purpose of world disinformatsiya. That is to show that the Bolsheviks are compassionate too...

In Cornelius Ryan's book (most of the information are given by the russians themselves), a 15 year old Hitler Youth private who fought in battle of Berlin, Willy Feidheim was released after 2 years imprisonment in gulag...He is one of the luckier ones

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Post by alibegoa » 30 Sep 2003 08:45

unfortunately, of 90000 germans marched into captivity at stalingrad, only about 5000 were alive in 1955 when released.

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Post by David Thompson » 01 Oct 2003 15:29

The posts related to the Erich Priebke case now have a thread of their own at:

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=32883

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Re: The last known German soldiers to be released from the S

Post by Boricua63 » 02 Nov 2013 18:07

Hello you all: For the past six years I have been conducting a research on WWII and have interviewed many Germany. Recently I interviewed a former German POW who survived four Russians Gulag aka as forced labor camps. The German were equally treated as they did to the Russians POW during the war. One of the air refuges in the city of Iserlohn was built by Russians POW. That is common knowledge in my city.

To contribute to this threat. This gentleman was stationed in Akarmara, Tkibuli, Kutaisi, Tkwarcheli and Dwrj. The other four names I was able to confirm their existence in the internet. However, I am having problems locating the last city since we are not sure about the spelling. It could be: Dwre, Dwrie, Dwerje. If any of you know of this lost city located in today's the Kingdom of Georgia, I would appreciate. He worked mostly in the mines but some other of the POW did some construction work around town. Ex: building highways, railroads, houses, etc. Some of the same type of work that German POWs did in the USA. This veteran is over 80 yrs old today. Another one of the POWs in those camps drew them and this gentleman has copies of those drawings. I secured myself a copy, too.

Thanks for the help. Although some of the worse camps were located in Siberia, some others were spread around the USRR. This gentleman also commented that the officers were sent to camps in MOscow and were not suppose to work. At his camp in Akarmara was for a short time the Gen of the Waffenn SS.
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Post by Wim » 15 May 2014 12:09

The 4 last Flemisch volunteers were released from the camp POTMA in 15.02.1962.

They were convicted as war criminals (they had nothing to do) and not as POW this is why they got 'forgotten'.

Here an article i think from 1961 from 'The Freiwillig' magazine.
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Any information about Flemisch in German service (Waffen SS, OT, NSKK, Kriegsmarine, DRK, ...) during WWII is welcome.

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Re: The last known German soldiers to be released from the SU

Post by Globalization41 » 01 Jan 2015 05:40

5/24/1947; 8000 German Army POWs of the First Ukrainian Division to Transfer from Italy to Britain for Agricultural Employment

Report on the Screening of the First Ukrainian Division for War Crimes

8/9/1947, German POWs from Concentration Camp Near Cario Attack Egyptian Guards

7/1/1948, Two Million German POWs Still Being Retained for Slave-Labor by Britain, France, & Soviet Union, Part 1

7/1/1948, Two Million German POWs Still Being Retained for Slave-Labor by Britain, France, & Soviet Union, Part 2

8/14/1948; Not All German POWs Streaming Back to Fatherland Are Happy to Return, Except Those Coming from Russia

9/25/1948, Life Behind the Iron Curtain, Part 1

9/25/1948, Life Behind the Iron Curtain, Part 2

10/10/1948, Churchill Wants Soviet Release of POWs, Bolsheviks Concentrating in Europe, Churchill Foresees Approach of WWIII

1/8/1949, U.S. Army Urges Commutation of Death Sentences for 12 Germans Charged with Shooting POWs During Battle of Bulge

1/31/1949, Russians Accuse Western Allies of Holding 250,000 Soviet Citizens in Camps in French, U.S., & British Zones

2/10/1949; 260 Well-Fed, Well Dressed German POWs Released from Russia Said to Be Specially Trained Communists

3/21/1949, Soviets Begin "Big New Repatriation" of German POWs, British Estimate More than 200,000 POWs Still in Russia

6/15/1949; Former Chief of German Army Sanitation Corp Says 1,000,000 German POWs Have Died in Russia, 300,000 Still Alive

10/26/1949, Thousands of East German Political Prisoners Being Shipped to Soviet Concentration Camps

5/8/1950; Germans Outraged at Soviet Announcement of Repatriation of German POWs; Newspapers Demand, Where Are POWs?

5/15/1950; British, French, & U.S. Agree to Maintain Western Rights in Berlin; West Concerned About Soviet-Held POWs

3/2/1951, Six Thousand Attend Anti-German Immigration Meeting, Part 1

3/2/1951, Six Thousand Attend Anti-German Immigration Meeting, Part 2

5/1/1951, Mass Graves Surround Siberian Slave City Says Escaped Austrian POW

7/12/1951, Commonwealth Migration Department Admits German ex-Officers Working on Snowy Mts. Hydro-Electric Power Project

8/1/1951, Western Powers Believe Soviets Still Holding 400,000-1,000,000 German POWs & 340,000-370,000 Japanese Soldiers

12/14/1951, Australians Warned Against German Immigration, Germans Committed Unspeakable Atrocities Before & During WWII

1/10/1952, U.S. Formally Demands Soviet Account of German, Italian, & Japanese POWs Taken During WWII

1/15/1952, Australia Requests Russians Release the Large Numbers of German & Japanese POWs Remaining in Soviet Union

1/22/1952, Soviets Inform U.N. They Have Repatriated All POWs Except War Criminals

4/26/1952, Life's Tough for POWs in Red North Korea

3/12/1953, Stalin Ruled a Slave Nation, Part 1

3/12/1953, Stalin Ruled a Slave Nation, Part 2

4/6/1953, German Tells of Red POW Camps

9/28/1953; 468 Released German POWs from Russia Cross into West Germany

10/5/1953, Eleven German Generals Released from Soviet POW Camps

11/13/1953, Clemency Boards in Three Allied Zones to Look at 462 Cases of Germans Convicted of War Crimes

12/2/1953; Reds Still Holding 398,000 POWs According to West Germany, Japan, & Italy

5/8/1954, General Paulus Returns to Germany After Long & Dangerous Mission to Stalingrad

8/5/1954, Soviets Release German War Criminals

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Re: The last known German soldiers to be released from the SU

Post by Marcus » 03 Jan 2015 21:05

A post dealing with the treatment of the survivors of Stalingrad was moved to a thread on that topic: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11188

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Re: The last known German soldiers to be released from the SU

Post by Tirdad » 06 Jan 2015 07:39

10 Romanian soldiers and more than 50 german soldeirs graves were in tehran,

date of thier death is beetween 1942 till 1949.

also there are :

7 U.S Marines , 18 french , ~300 ex-SU, some Bulgarians , polish, magyiars and a finnish officer graves,

in the other cities.

most of them Are destroyed during & after uprising in 1979.
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Re: The last known German soldiers to be released from the SU

Post by Reader3000 » 10 Sep 2015 16:33

Just a personal side-note: My grandfather was sentenced to 25 years forced labor, too, after being captured in July 1944 somewhere in Eastern Poland. He came home in 1955 as the last one of the whole town.

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Re: The last known German soldiers to be released from the SU

Post by uhu » 08 Nov 2015 04:05

If you haven't heard of Greg Gartner, watch the TV documentary and then get the book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Bm20lAPw8

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