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General v Gottberg

Post by Elwyn W » 17 Oct 2012 03:20

The top pic was labeled ObstLt v Gottberg Metzer IR 98. The second one was labeled Gen v Gottberg and his staff in 08.1918. I believe they are the same person.

1914 Rangliste had the Kmdr of Oldenburgisches IR Nr 91 as ObstLt v Gottberg (Döring Werner Franz von) with a BMV4mK and a SLH3. I think I see the 7th medal from the left of the ordensspange in the top pic as a BMV4mK and the man could be him with an upgrade to a Schaumburg Lippe Hausorden Offizier Ehrenkreuz during the war -- whcih was on his left breast underneath the EK1.

I need your opinion on the rest of the ordensspange -- RAO3, ?, KO3 or KO4, SA3mK, Sachsen Ernestinischen Hausorden, ?, BMV3mK or BMV4mK, ?, ?, ?.

What other postings and dates were there beside IR 91, IR 98 and 238 Inf Brig?
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Re: General v Gottberg

Post by Glenn2438 » 17 Oct 2012 09:02

Hi Elwyn,

the top photograph is of Oberstleutnant Lorenz v. Gottberg, commander of IR 98 from 21 May 1915 to 13 January 1917. He was a battalion commander in IR 55 in 1914 but although eventually commander of 96. Reserve-Infanterie-Brigade, did not rise to General officers' rank, being killed on 17 August 1918. The breast order is the Lippe-Detmold House Order Officers' Cross. This is the order he has had his orders and decorations mounted (although not per regulations).

RAO4Kr, KO4, DA, SA3aKr, HSH3a, HSAE, MG3Kr, AB3a, Zentenaar, Sachsen-Altenburg Jubilee Medal 1903.

The group photograph v. Gottberg is Generalmajor Döring v. Gottberg and the staff of 238. Infanterie-Brigade.

Döring v. Gottberg:

2 Aug 14: Commander RIR 79
22 Nov 14: Commander IR 158
21 May 15: Commander GR 2
18 Jun 15: Oberst
5 Jan 17-9Sep 18: Commander 238. Infanterie-Brigade
15 Jun 18: Generalmajor

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Re: General v Gottberg

Post by Elwyn W » 21 Oct 2012 21:28

SLH3 (perhaps upgrade) versus LDHO.

Thank you, Glenn.

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Post by Dave Danner » 28 Feb 2013 06:37

Glenn2438 wrote:the top photograph is of Oberstleutnant Lorenz v. Gottberg, commander of IR 98 from 21 May 1915 to 13 January 1917. He was a battalion commander in IR 55 in 1914 but although eventually commander of 96. Reserve-Infanterie-Brigade, did not rise to General officers' rank, being killed on 17 August 1918. The breast order is the Lippe-Detmold House Order Officers' Cross. This is the order he has had his orders and decorations mounted (although not per regulations).
Glenn,
Between IR 98 and 96.RIB, Lorenz v. Gottberg commanded at least one RIR. Any idea which?

Since Wegner only listed regular regiments and for wartime units Bussche only listed commanders when formed, I have lots of gaps WRT knowledge od commanders of RIRs and LIRs.

Also, both buttonhole ribbons look the same to me, so perhaps one for the EK2 and one for the HOH3X? I would think he got the Lippe War Merit Cross too, but maybe he jumped straight to the LDHOX.

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Re: General v Gottberg

Post by UweS » 01 Mar 2013 21:12

Hallo,

here are the dates from Oberst von Gottberg:

1.8.1914 - 1.10.1914 Kdr III./ IR 55
21.9.1914 - 9.11.1914 Fhr IR 16
9.11.(1.10.)1914 - 5.4.1915 Kdr IR 55
27.5.1915 - 7.1.1917 Kdr IR 98
8.2.1917 - 2.8.1917 Kdr RIR 15
2.8.1917 - 1918 Kdt von Norderney
22.6.1918 - 17.8.1918g. Kdr 96. RIB

best wishes

Uwe

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Re: General v Gottberg

Post by Dave Danner » 02 Mar 2013 04:45

Many thanks!

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Re: General v Gottberg

Post by Elwyn W » 29 Mar 2013 23:44

This looks like Döring v Gottberg of 238 Inf Brigade?

There was an Obst Laue whose last command was LIR 5 and a ObstLt de Rainville whose last command was GrRgt 89

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