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Postby Bayerlein spirit » 22 Apr 2003 22:33

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Postby Bayerlein spirit » 01 Jun 2003 08:32

Find here the whole pict of FKL 316 Tiger's in Chateaudun area (august 1944)

1..... FKL 316 n°13 abandonned by crew Chateaudun 17 08 44
2..... FKL 316 n°12 destroyed by crew in Varize near Chateaudun 17 08 44
3..... FKL 316 n°11 abandonned by crew chateaudun 17 08 44
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Postby Bayerlein spirit » 01 Jun 2003 08:41

4...... FKL 316 n°02 destroyed by crew Janville near Chateaudun 18 08 44
5...... FKL 316 n°10 in town of Chateaudun 16 08 44
6...... FKL 316 n°10 destroyed by crew Varize near Chateaudun 17 08 44
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Postby Michael Kenny » 01 Jun 2003 13:02

Fantastic! That is the first pictures I have seen of '13' and '2' posted anywhere. If it is possible youy could say where you got them from originaly?

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Postby Bayerlein spirit » 01 Jun 2003 21:50

Hello Michael

Five or six Tigers b for FKL 316 in Normandy.

1,2,3,4 and 5 ===> source 39/45 n°157-158 french magazine 1999 about Lehr Tigers

Find this other picture ===> source French local newspaper 1947 ( Chateauponsac library ) with legend :" Panzer à Nogent le Rotrou" may be the famous sixth missing. This Tiger have the number 03... Not the marking of s.503.....then !
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Postby Michael Kenny » 01 Jun 2003 22:52

Now that would make it 6 when we are told there were only 5! If you can find a Tiger I from Lehr you can have my house!

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Postby Roger Griffiths » 01 Jun 2003 22:52

These KT's featured in Panzer Lehr War Diary correspondence. On 19 May 44, Division suggested to Generalinspecteur that due to mechanical unrealiability, they should be moved to a safe area in Germany. Chassis numbers were 280001 to 5. We have turret numbers 02, 03 and 10 to 13. Oh Dear, that makes six and one would have thought there was an 01!

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Postby Bayerlein spirit » 02 Jun 2003 15:37

1....n°13
2....N°12
3....N°12

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Postby Michael Kenny » 02 Jun 2003 19:29

Are there any photos of no.13 where you can see the 13? The problem we have is that there should be only 5 of these tanks and we seem to have numbers 02, 03, 10, 11, 12 and 13. As yet no image of 13 only the Tger II with only the '1' visible. It really is a problem if we have 6 of them! Is it possible you could give the exact location of all these Tiger II's as given in the magazine?

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Postby Bayerlein spirit » 03 Jun 2003 02:16

How many Tigers? Michael....

Five or six (more?) I don't really know... I shown six pictures and no more...

39/45 Magazine n°157/158 source for location and pictures for 02,10,11,12,13 and a mystery or assumption for one sixth.... 03 is a number find on the picture Tiger ( Gazette de la résistance -1947- French local newspaper) legend "Panzer à Nogent le Rotrou"

39/45 Magazine, p3 : " How many Tigers?" ( my poor translation :roll: )

- According with the inventory of the Panzerlehrdivision the 1th june 1944,
("Zustandsbericht"), six Tiger II assigned to this unit (FKL 316) and three Tigers I, sixteen goliath and undetermined number of B IV.

So...Colonel Ritgen (II/Panzer-Lehr-Rgt.130.) and Jean Claude Perrigault "La Panzer-Lehr-division" Editions HEIMDAL, 1995 think only five Tigers II are deleted to this inventory and crews assigned the 1./Panzerabteilung 302 (FkL) the 15 july 1944, Tigers must be come back to German factory for destruction.

Thread Ron Klages http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/mes ... 1054596207 ====> Same history in 39/45 magazine

13.08.44 Five tanks arrive in CHATEAUDUN. They are deployed within the city defense against the approaching US Army. TIGER no. “10” is positioned in the northwest at the N155, “13” stands in the west near the N827, “12” is in position at the junction N10/N824, the two remaining tanks — “02” and “11” — cover the river LOIRE to the north at the Place le Mail.

15.08.44 A scout patrol of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment approaching from MONTIGNY-LE-GANELLON runs into tank “12”. The crews of three vehicles are captured by the German infantry. Using the coax MG, 1 Jeep and 1 M8 are stopped. Later this tank retreats to the Rue de Varize.

16.08.44 TIGER “13” is being shelled by US artillery without any effect. Tank “12” fires several rounds with the main gun bringing an enemy advance to a standstill. In the evening tank “10” leaves its position and joins TIGERs “02” and “11” at Le Mail.

17.08.44 During the night tanks “12” and “13” are left behind by their crews. “12” is set on fire. The other three tanks drive to the Boulevard Kellermann at approximately 0300 hours. Arriving there TIGER “11” breaks down and is left behind. The other two tanks take the N155 to the east and get to VARIZE in the following night. TIGER “10” then breaks down and is retrieved a short distance by “02”.

18.08.44 At approximately 2000 hours TIGER “10” is blown up. “02” continues its way towards JANVILLE. Shortly before approaching TOURY the tank suddenly makes a sharp turn to the left (final drive damage ?), runs over a tree and comes to a stop. It is later left behind by the crew.

No evidences for the sixth...

But... p 3... Locals would have seen One other wreck of Tiger II ( unidentified marking ) near Nogent le Rotrou side of the road from Alençon ( confusion with a Panther, stug, Hummel etc.. is possible ).

And what thinking about my document found in this gazette ( picture taken on document with digital camera by friend) Russian or germany front Tiger for illustrated a missing picture ? I don't think so ! 03 or 08? 09, 00,06 ?....I think 03...legend was "Panzer à Nogent le Rotrou"... I will phone to this library to have whole of page by photocopy...

Finally, to my point of view, the Tiger n° 13 ( 1 + dark mark) staying many years in Chateaudun street, even though the large number was paint with white tempera and gradually disappeared, locals crossing day by day this tiger, they couldn't forget this number.

So I should think 02,03,10,11,12,13 around Chateaudun in august 1944...
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Postby Bayerlein spirit » 03 Jun 2003 11:44

3 others view of n°11
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Postby vox stellarum » 02 Jul 2003 13:13

Not a vehicle but very interesting photo. Some guys really alike Band Of Brothers movie characters. For example: From bottom first, second and fifth guys and from top second and seventh guys. Maybe I simile. I don't know.
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Postby Michael Kenny » 10 Jul 2003 23:03

Not 100% certain but I'm sure 2 of these have not been seen before. No. 11 seems to have been the most photographed. The first photo is a better copy of the photo as printed in Jaugitz's book.
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Postby Bayerlein spirit » 11 Jul 2003 09:19

Thanks Michael

Never seen before, nice pics really...

I retry :) for Falaise Tigers I.D on Missing Lynx Forum...I hope additional information...

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