Swiss artillery in WW2
Swiss artillery in WW2
Hi all,
I am looking for information and/or images about the 20mm Flab.kan.38 swiss AA gun.
Manufacturer, specifications, number manufactured, .....
These are the only three images that I have could found about this rare gun.
The guns of these three images seem to have a different mount each.
Why the Swiss Army adopted this gun next to 20mm Oerlikon AA gun?
Which was the designation of 20mm Oerlikon in Swiss Army: Flab.Kan.37 or Flab.Kan.38 ?
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
I am looking for information and/or images about the 20mm Flab.kan.38 swiss AA gun.
Manufacturer, specifications, number manufactured, .....
These are the only three images that I have could found about this rare gun.
The guns of these three images seem to have a different mount each.
Why the Swiss Army adopted this gun next to 20mm Oerlikon AA gun?
Which was the designation of 20mm Oerlikon in Swiss Army: Flab.Kan.37 or Flab.Kan.38 ?
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... CGIQ7gEwCQWhich was the designation of 20mm Oerlikon in Swiss Army: Flab.Kan.37 or Flab.Kan.38 ?
However, the same paragrph goes on to say -Before the Second World War, in 1937, acquired the 363 Switzerland Oerlikon cannons and set these as 20mm Flab Kan Oe 37 with 15-round box magazines on one infantry guns.
So - the "Bern factory" is...? Or does that mean the 38 just followed the 37 as a replacement from the same factory?After the replacement of the arms factory of + Bern + produced 20 mm Flab Kan 38 and 20 mm Hispano Flab Kan 43/44 , a gas operated at a much higher rate of fire, it was used for civil works security.
THIS -
...is captioned as the Oerlikon 20mm weapon here - http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... stung.html Seems quite different from the weapon above.
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2
Some specifications:
Manufacturer: W + F (Waffenfabrik Bern)
Range, m: 2,000
Weight, kg: 380
Vo, m/s: 1,010
Ammo: belt
Rounds/min: 400
Data taken from http://www.schweiz1940.ch/common-en/swi ... t/flab.htm
This webpage also gives the designation 20 mm Flab Kan 37 for the Oerlikon gun.
Manufacturer: W + F (Waffenfabrik Bern)
Range, m: 2,000
Weight, kg: 380
Vo, m/s: 1,010
Ammo: belt
Rounds/min: 400
Data taken from http://www.schweiz1940.ch/common-en/swi ... t/flab.htm
This webpage also gives the designation 20 mm Flab Kan 37 for the Oerlikon gun.
Re: Swiss artillery in WW2
Please remember to include the source of the images posted, thanks.
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2
So...
20mm Flab.Kan 37 = Oerlikon
20mm Flab.Kan 38 = Waffenfabrik Bern
20mm Flab.Kan 37 = Oerlikon
20mm Flab.Kan 38 = Waffenfabrik Bern
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2
More specifications, this time from http://waffen.festung-oberland.ch/style ... affen.html (The weight and the range are slightly different from the other source)
There is also a photo of a surviving example in that page.20mm Flabkanone 38
Kaliber: 20 mm
Hersteller: Waffenfabrik Bern/Waffenfabrik Solothurn
Fabrikation: 1939-47
Lafette: Sockel, verschraubbar
Rohr: 1830 mm
Verschluss: Rückstosslader
Gewicht: 400 kg fahrbereit
Bedienung: 5 Mann
Kadenz: 400 Schuss/min
Reichweite: 1500 m
Re: Swiss artillery in WW2
Marcus wrote
Please remember to include the source of the images posted, thanks.
Opppss
The source of my images :
http://www.google.es/imgres?imgurl=http ... m=1&itbs=1
http://www.google.es/imgres?imgurl=http ... m=1&itbs=1
Thank you for your help, Ironmachine.
I think your image was taken in 1970s years, not wartime.
Any adittional wartime image of this gun will be wellcome.
It seems that 20mm Flab.Kan.38 had a mount with three legs, but the gun of my second image seems to have a pedestal mount.
This gun also seems to use a high capacity box-magazine.
Does anyone know the capacity of this magazine? I guess this would give to this gun a great actual firing rate.
Regards Sturm78
Re: Swiss artillery in WW2
Hi all,
I am looking for wartime images of 10.5cm Hb 42 (Bofors) swiss howitzer
I found this image (1) here ( http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displayim ... pos=-30379 ) identified as a 10.5cm Hb 42 howitzer , but I think this is a different weapon: box trail, very rare wheels, circular platform,....
Any idea?
This is the only wartime image (2) I have could find of a Hb 42:
Thanks in advance.
Sturm78
I am looking for wartime images of 10.5cm Hb 42 (Bofors) swiss howitzer
I found this image (1) here ( http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displayim ... pos=-30379 ) identified as a 10.5cm Hb 42 howitzer , but I think this is a different weapon: box trail, very rare wheels, circular platform,....
Any idea?
This is the only wartime image (2) I have could find of a Hb 42:
Thanks in advance.
Sturm78
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2
The gun in the first photo (the one with box trail, very rare wheels, circular platform) is indeed a 10,5 cm Hb 42 L 22. The difference is due to it being a prototype fitted with a experimental device to rotate on a fixed position. And in fact it is a wartime photo, having been taken in december 1944:
http://www.armeemuseum.ch/uploads/media ... f_2-03.pdf, the information bulletin of the Swiss Army Museum.
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PS: many thanks to forum member iffig for originally posting this photo and its source in The official AHF Allied & Neutral Armies quiz thread.
The source is Regards.
PS: many thanks to forum member iffig for originally posting this photo and its source in The official AHF Allied & Neutral Armies quiz thread.
Re: Swiss artillery in WW2
Thank you very much for your help, Ironmachine.
Do you have any other wartime image of a standard 10.5cm Hb 42 ??
Sturm78
Do you have any other wartime image of a standard 10.5cm Hb 42 ??
Sturm78
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2
No, can't help you with that.
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2
Hi all,
Two images of 15cm sch Hb 42 (Bofors) swiss howitzer
Are these his original wheels or this is a modernized postwar version?
Does anyone know how many were manufactured?
Any other wartime image is welcome
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
Two images of 15cm sch Hb 42 (Bofors) swiss howitzer
Are these his original wheels or this is a modernized postwar version?
Does anyone know how many were manufactured?
Any other wartime image is welcome
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
Re: Swiss artillery in WW2
This Picture must be from the 1970's. look at the helmets. (I got one of these )
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Re: Swiss artillery in WW2
Yes. If you had followed the link I provided, you would have found that the photo caption was: "Die 20 mm Flab Kan 38 W+F im Einsatz (hier in den 70er Jahren im Felddienst der Flab RS 46)."