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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 20 Jan 2019 12:28

The Motor-rifle Battalions never used half tracks. Their use was largely restricted to Reconnaissance units such as Motorcycle Regiments and Battalion within Tank Armies although the Mech Bde Reconnaissance company did field 1-2 platoon with armoured trucks which would usually be 10 British carriers or converted BA armoured cars.

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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by Nakhodchanin » 20 Jan 2019 14:04

I greeting all comunity! Small introduction - in the research the Soviet TO&Es, the highest priority is given to Shtat itself, from the attention of researchers eludes component and integral to each Shtat Table of Equipment (Табель Имущества). Unfortunately, the Table of Equipment to the Shtat of interest to us is also not yet available as the Shtat itself. Reporting documents of soviet units can help us. I want to present this type of document to the community, from already familiar to us 47 sep.Mechanized Brigade:
Report on the state of the 47th sep.MBde as of April 10, 1944 р.1.jpg
Report on the state of the 47th sep.MBde as of April 10, 1944 р.2.jpg
Report on the state of the 47th sep.MBde as of April 10, 1944 р.3.jpg
Report on the state of the 47th sep.MBde as of April 10, 1944 р.4.jpg
. Translation:

R E P O R T
On the state of the 47th Red banner Dukhovshchinskoy Mechanized brigade
as of April 10, 1944

1.Staffing of the brigade by personnel:
officer's personnel: on shtat - 359, available - 352, shortage - 7.
NCO's and EM's personnel: on shtat - 3207, available - 3029, shortage - 178.

2.Staffing of the brigade by armament: rifles - on shtat 1244,
available - 1215, shortage - 29.
sub-machine gun PPSh: on shtat - 1487, available - 1473, shortage - 10*(misprint, correctly - 14).
pistols and revolvers: on shtat - 307, available - 287, shortage - 20.
7,62 mm machine gun "Browning": on shtat - , available - 46*(one cal.30 M1919A4 coaxial tank MG & one cal.30 M1919A4 bow tank MG on each M4A2), shortage -
7,96 mm machine gun "Bren"*(double misprint): on shtat - , available - 13*(one 7,92 mm coaxial tank MG "BESA" on each Valentine X), shortage -
11,43 mm machine gun "Thompson": on shtat - , available - 13*(one cal.45 SMG "Thompson" M1A1 in each Valentine X), shortage -
12,7 mm anti-aircraft machine gun "Browning": on shtat - not, available - 23*(one cal.50 M2HB turret-mounted AAMG on each M4A2), shortage -
26 mm signal pistols: on shtat - 116, available - 116.
Light machine gun DP: on shtat - 112, available - 90, shortage - 22.
Light machine gun DT: on shtat - 90*(one coaxial MG & one bow MG on each of 35 medium tanks + one flexible MG on each of 8 BA-64 and on each of 12 Universal), available - 3, shortage - 87.
Heavy machine gun "M": on shtat - 45, available - 39, shortage - 6.
12,7 mm Heavy machine gun DShK: on shtat - 9, available - 9.
14,5 mm rifles PTR: on shtat - 87, available - 85, shortage - 2.
50,8 mm mortar rocket-launcher: on shtat - , available - 23*(one 2-inch mortar M3 on each M4A2).
82 mm mortars: on shtat - 30, available - 24, shortage - 6.
120 mm mortars: on shtat - 6, available - 4, shortage - 2.
76 mm guns ZIS-3: on shtat - 12, available - 12.
75 mm tank guns M-3: on shtat - 35, available - 23*(75 mm M3 L/37,5 on M4A2), shortage - 12.
57 mm guns ZIS-2: on shtat - 12, available - 12.
57 mm tank guns: on shtat - , available - 13*(6-pdr OQF Mk V on Valentine X).
20 mm anti-aircraft automatic guns: on shtat - , available - 4*(captured german 2cm FlaK).
Binoculars 6x30: on shtat - 172, available - 172.
compasses "Andrianovа": on shtat - 840, available - 840.

Note:On the shortage of armament application filed,
issued an order, but armament not yet received.

3.Ammunition availability:
Rifle cartridges: on shtat - 2 ammo/load, available - 0,8 ammo/load, shortage - 1,2 ammo/load.
Cartridges TT*(for TT-pistols & PPSh-smg/PPS-smg): on shtat - 2 ammo/load, available - 0,8 ammo/load, shortage - 1,2 ammo/load.
26 mm signal cartridges: on shtat - 2 ammo/load, available - 1,0 ammo/load, shortage - 1,0 ammo/load.
26 mm illumination cartridges: on shtat - 2 ammo/load, available - 1,0 ammo/load, shortage - 1,0 ammo/load.
Hand grenades RG-42: on shtat - 2 ammo/load, available - 2 ammo/load, shortage -
Hand grenades F-1: on shtat - 2 ammo/load, available - 2 ammo/load, shortage -
Hand grenades RT-40*(misprint)RPG-40: on shtat - 2 ammo/load, available - 2 ammo/load, shortage -
12,7 mm cartridges DShK: on shtat - 2 ammo/load, available - 1 ammo/load, shortage - 1 ammo/load.
14,5 mm cartridges PTR: on shtat - 2 ammo/load, available - 0,8 ammo/load, shortage - 1,2 ammo/load.
7,62 mm cartridges american: on shtat - 3 ammo/load, available - 3 ammo/load, shortage -
7,92 mm cartridges english: on shtat - 3 ammo/load, available - 3 ammo/load, shortage -
12,7 mm cartridges american: on shtat - 3 ammo/load, available - 3 ammo/load, shortage -
11,43 mm cartridges "Thompson": on shtat - 3 ammo/load, available - 3 ammo/load, shortage -
50,8 mm mines: on shtat - 1 ammo/load, available - 1 ammo/load, shortage -
82 mm mines: on shtat - 2 ammo/load, available - 2 ammo/load, shortage -
120 mm mines: on shtat - 2 ammo/load, available - 2 ammo/load, shortage -
76 mm shells: on shtat - 2 ammo/load, available - 2 ammo/load, shortage -
75 mm shells: on shtat - 3 ammo/load, available - 3 ammo/load, shortage -
57 mm shells: on shtat - 2,4 ammo/load, available - 2,4 ammo/load, shortage -

Note:On the shortage of ammunition issued an order, but
ammunition has not yet been received.

4.Staffing of the brigade by material part:
Tanks Mk III: by list - 30, Tanks M4A2 - 23, Tanks Mk IX*(Valentine Mk X) by list - 13.*(shortage and/or over shtat-?)
Armored cars: on shtat - 8, available - 9.*(and over shtat-?)
Armored personnel carriers: on shtat - 12, by list - 12, shortage - 12*(misprint or APCs by list, not correspond to type by shtat).
Light cars M-1: on shtat - 8, by list - 2, shortage - 6.
Light car Willys MB: on shtat - 1, by list - 2. Over shtat - 1.
Studebaker cargo truck: by list - 1.
GAZ AA cargo trucks: on shtat - 210, available - 13, shortage - 197.
ZIS-5 cargo trucks: on shtat - 106, available - 12, shortage - 94.
GAZ AAA staff buses: on shtat - 2, available - 2.
GAZ AA mobile workshop type "A": on shtat - 7, available - 4, shortage - 3.
GAZ 55 ambulance: on shtat - 9, available - 3, shortage - 6.
ZIS-5 petrol tanker-trucks: on shtat - 8, available - 5, shortage - 3.
ZIS-5 mobile workshop type "B": on shtat - 2, available - 2.
GAZ AA PZS*(mobile charging station-trucks): on shtat - 2, available - 2.
Club motor vehicles: on shtat - 1, available - , shortage - 1.
VMZ*(water and oil fueling-truck): on shtat - 1, available - , shortage - 1.
Motorcycles with sidecar: on shtat - 19, available - 3, shortage - 16.
Motorcycles without sidecar: on shtat - 1, available - , shortage - 1.
Ford cargo trucks: available - 2.
GAZ AA with radio RSB: on shtat - 1, available - 1.
captured german tractors: available - 2.

5.Staffing of the brigade by engineering equipment:
Pocket flashlights: on shtat - 165, available - 166, over shtat - 1.
Sapper shovels: on shtat - 640, available - 652, over shtat - 12.
Small shovels: on shtat - 1667, available - 1694, over shtat - 27.
Crowbars ordinary: on shtat - 112, available - 115, over shtat - 3.
Cross-cutting saws ordinary: on shtat - 113, available - 115, over shtat - 2.
Trihedral files ordinary: on shtat - 127, available - 3, shortage - 124.
Cross-cutting saws shortened: on shtat - 15, available - 15.
Saw-sets: on shtat - 33, available - 34, over shtat - 1.
Carpenter's axes: on shtat - 425, available - 425.
Axes military small: on shtat - 269, available - 17, shortage - 252.
Barbed wire cutting scissors: on shtat - 233, available - 237, over shtat - 4.
Light pickaxes: on shtat - 28, available - 28.
Heavy pickaxes: on shtat - 69, available - 78, over shtat - 9.
Mine detectors: on shtat - 27, available - 27.
Set № 63*(devices and tools for demolition works): on shtat - 5, available - 5.
Set № 68*(expendable materials for demolition works): on shtat - 5, available - 5.
Set № 2*(carpentry tool): on shtat - 5, available - 5.
Set № 9*(tools for one locksmith): on shtat - 5, available - 4, shortage - 1.
PTM*(Anti-tank mine): on shtat - 400, available - 430, over shtat - 30.
PPM*(Anti-personnel mine): on shtat - 700, available - 765, over shtat - 65.
MUV*(simplified exploder): on shtat - 1400, available - 1800, over shtat - 400.
Clock contactors for short time: on shtat - 2, available - 2.
Clock contactors for long time: on shtat - 2, available - 2.
Sapper rangefinders: on shtat - 4, available - , shortage - 4.
Camouflage nets № 4: on shtat - 137, available - 146, over shtat - 9.
Summer camouflage suits: on shtat - 119, available - 127, over shtat - 8.
Nets for rifleman: on shtat - 1507, available - 1507.
Masks type "A": on shtat - 3, available - 3.
Coverings № 2-T: on shtat - 8, available - 8.
Coverings № 3-T: on shtat - 6, available - 6.
Tracer cords*(length of 20 meters in covers): on shtat - 5, available - 5.
Sharpeners round D-350*(diameter 350 mm): on shtat - 4, available - , shortage - 4.
Small inflatable boat*(LMN): on shtat - 2, available - 2.
Swimming suits*(PK): on shtat - 4, available - 4.
Motor saw: on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Lighting set for the command post: on shtat - 2, available - 2.
Charging units: on shtat - 1, available - not, shortage - 1.
Covers to light pickaxes*(with shoulder belt): on shtat - 14, available - 16, over shtat - 2.
Covers to saws shortened*(with shoulder belt): on shtat - 14, available - 14.
Covers to carpenter's axes*(with shoulder belt): on shtat - 28, available - 28.
Covers to sapper shovels*(with shoulder belt): on shtat - 61, available - 61.

6.Staffing of the brigade by communication equipment:

Radio station RBS*(misprint)RSB: on shtat - 1, available - not, shortage - 1.
Radio station RBM, RB with extended antenna: on shtat - 9, available - 10.*(and over shtat-?)
Radio station RB: on shtat - 8, available - 5.*(and shortage-?)
Radio station RBS: on shtat - 12, available - 12.
Tank radio station 12-RP in light armored cars BA-64: on shtat - 5, available - , shortage - 5.
Charging unit*(1,5kW - ES-3): on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Quartz calibrator*(KK-4): on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Pocket watch: on shtat - 6, available - , shortage - 6.
Switchboard KOF, set № 238: on shtat - 7, available - 9, over shtat - 2.
Telephone set UNA-F*(set № 235-B): on shtat - 88, available - 88.
Bags to UNA-F № 2365*(double misprint)Sets №№ 236-B, 236-V to UNA-F: on shtat - 16, available - not, shortage - 16.
Telephone set UNA-FI: on shtat - 2, available - 2.
Telephone bags, set № 257: on shtat - 6, available - 10, over shtat - 4.
Telephone bags, set № 259: on shtat - 21, available - 6, shortage - 15.
Signal flags: on shtat - 54, available - 32, shortage - 22.
Identification panels for front line: on shtat - 36, available - 29, shortage - 7.
Signal whistles: on shtat - 48, available - 30, shortage - 18.
Chemical alarm device: on shtat - 1, available - , shortage - 1.
Sets № 271 and № 272 aircraft signal equipment: on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Radio station 12-RP: on shtat - , available - 4.
Elements 3-S or 3-V: on shtat - 360, available - , shortage - 360.
Volt milliammeter 3 V, 30 m/a: on shtat - 6, available - 4, shortage - 2.
Radio station 13-R: on shtat - , available - 3.
Telephone cable 1-wire*(with № 291-A, km): on shtat - 118, available - 118.
Poles for throwing of cable: on shtat - 22, available - , shortage - 22.
Flashlights for night work: on shtat - 22, available - 20, shortage - 2.
Set of unified tools*(of telegraph/telephone master and radio engineering): on shtat - 1, available - , shortage - 1.
Telephone coils: on shtat - 150, available - 176, over shtat - 26.
Telephone set EE-8-A: on shtat - , available - 5, over shtat - 5.
Telephone set UNA-I*(set № 235-A): on shtat - , available - 5, over shtat - 5.
Switchboard german: on shtat - , available - 1, over shtat - 1.
Small local switchboard of 12 numbers*(sets №№ 244, 245): on shtat - , available - 1, over shtat - 1.

7.Staffing of the brigade by chemical equipment:
Gas masks BS: on shtat - 3604, available - 3604.
Protective paper capes: on shtat - 3604, available - 3652, over shtat - 48.
Protective clothes, sets №№ 1 - 2: on shtat - 28, available - 28.
Protective clothes, set № 3: on shtat - 105, available - 166, over shtat - 61.
Protective clothes, set № 4: on shtat - 72, available - 14, shortage - 58.
Device of chemical intelligence*(PHR): on shtat - 9, available - 10, over shtat - 1.
Knapsack degassing device*(RDP): on shtat - 20, available - 20.
Hand smoke grenade*(RDG): on shtat - 468, available - 50, shortage - 418.
Smoke bombs DM-g: on shtat - 156, available - 60, shortage - 96.
Repair bags: on shtat - 5, available - 5.
ADM*(Degassing truck with ADM-750): on shtat - 1, available - , shortage - 1.

8.Staffing of the brigade by medical-sanitary equipment:

Set № B-1*(bandaging means): on shtat - 10, available - 11, over shtat - 1.
Set № B-2*(splints): on shtat - 5, available - 5.
Set № B-3*(bandaging materials): on shtat - 2, available - 3, over shtat - 1.
Set № VB*(bandaging room-ambulatory): on shtat - 5, available - 5.
Set № VB-3*(special assistance): on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Set № V-4*(pharmacy-ambulatory): on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Set № V-7*(oxygen kit): on shtat - 1, available - , shortage - 1.
Set № PR-2*(help for the wounded(divisional)): on shtat - 2, available - 2.
Set № PR-1*(help for the wounded(regimental)): on shtat - 3, available - 3.
Set № V-2*(bandaging room additional): on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Set № G-14*(autoclave): on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Set № G-14a*(primus stove to autoclave with accessories): on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Set № G-9*(operational material): on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Set № G-10*(disinfection wet): on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Set № Z-1*(field dental office): on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Set № Z-1A: on shtat - 1, available - 1, available - , shortage - 1.
Set № PF*(field medical assistant): on shtat - 4, available - 4.
Indication kit: on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Bags PHS*(anti-chemical means): on shtat - 7, available - 7.
Tabletops with stands*(for bandaging table): on shtat - 2, available - 2 Stands is not.
Operating table*(field (folding)): on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Bags of sanitary instructor: on shtat - 32, available - 32.
Bags of medical orderlies: on shtat - 34, available - 34.
Distillation cube: on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Alembic: on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Individual bandaging packages: on shtat - 4360, available - 4470, over shtat - 110.
"Pantocidum"*(Tablets for water disinfection)in pieces: on shtat - 3555, available - 2870, shortage - 685.
First aid kits № 2: on shtat - 56, available - 85, over shtat - 56*(misprint, correctly - 29).
First aid kits № 1(tank): on shtat - 23, available - 35, over shtat - 12.
Splints of Cramer: on shtat - 40, available - 40.
Individual anti-chemical packages: on shtat - 3555, available - 2770, shortage - 785.
Medical gowns white: on shtat - 52, available - 52.
Sanitary gowns: on shtat - 36, available - 36.
Medical caps white: on shtat - 14, available - 8, shortage - 6.
Kerchiefs for nurses white: on shtat - 8, available - 6, shortage - 2.
Sacks for disinfection: on shtat - 27, available - 3, shortage - 24.
Sleeping bags: on shtat - 40, available - 26, shortage - 14.
Armbands of Red Cross: on shtat - 75, available - 75.
Sanitary stretchers: on shtat - 81, available - 61, shortage - 20.
Straps for carrying stretcher: on shtat - 44, available - 36, shortage - 8.
Chemical warmers: on shtat - 30, available - , shortage - 30.
Tent "UST-41"*(Unified Sanitary-Technical tent type of 1941): on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Tent "USB-41"*(Unified Sanitary-Barracks tent type of 1941): on shtat - 2, available - 2.
Pump-atomizer with spare parts: on shtat - 1, available - 1.
Sacks for storage of things and linen of patients: on shtat - 10, available - , shortage - 10.
Hospital shoes: on shtat - 5, available - 5.
Hospital gowns: on shtat - 3, available - 3.

9.POL materials availability:
Petrol KB-70*(aviation cracking-petrol) is available - 464 kg.
Petrol of 2nd grade*(automobile petrol): on shtat - 44616 kg, available - 5453 kg, shortage - 39163 kg.
Diesel fuel: on shtat - 46200 kg, available - 20146 kg, shortage - 26054 kg.
Motor oil MZ: on shtat - 4620 kg, available - 5819 kg, over shtat - 1199 kg.
Autol*(auto-tractor motor oil): on shtat - 2230 kg, available - 561 kg, shortage - 1669 kg.
Solidol*(lubricant material): on shtat - 669 kg, available - 580 kg, shortage - 89 kg.

Separately provided translation in the PDF-file:
Report on the state of the 47th sep.MBde as of April 10, 1944.pdf
. I plan to comment separately on the data on different types of brigade equipment - interesting and useful information has already been accumulated.

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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by Art » 20 Jan 2019 17:30

Der Alte Fritz wrote:
20 Jan 2019 12:28
Their use was largely restricted to Reconnaissance units such as Motorcycle Regiments and Battalion within Tank Armies although the Mech Bde Reconnaissance company did field 1-2 platoon with armoured trucks which would usually be 10 British carriers or converted BA armoured cars.
TO&Es were issued with British Universal carriers in mind. However, in practice in the last part of the war they were typically replaced with US M3A1 Scout Cars (abut 3000 were shipped to the Soviet Union). Employment of armored half-tracks (captured or US-built) was only sporadic.

Theoretically the infantry in the mechanized/motorized brigades was supposed to be transported by trucks. In reality given a chronic shortage of motor transport a large part of them marched on foot. Typically the brigade marched by two groups: motorized group (recce company, artillery battalion, mortar battalion, tank regiment carrying one rifle battalion as riders and the portion of infantry that can be lifted by available motor transport), and a foot group - the remaining infantry. The same applies to the motorized rifle brigade except the absence of tanks and tank riders.

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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by FORBIN Yves » 21 Jan 2019 12:11

Art wrote:
20 Jan 2019 17:30
Der Alte Fritz wrote:
20 Jan 2019 12:28
Their use was largely restricted to Reconnaissance units such as Motorcycle Regiments and Battalion within Tank Armies although the Mech Bde Reconnaissance company did field 1-2 platoon with armoured trucks which would usually be 10 British carriers or converted BA armoured cars.
TO&Es were issued with British Universal carriers in mind. However, in practice in the last part of the war they were typically replaced with US M3A1 Scout Cars (abut 3000 were shipped to the Soviet Union). Employment of armored half-tracks (captured or US-built) was only sporadic.

Theoretically the infantry in the mechanized/motorized brigades was supposed to be transported by trucks. In reality given a chronic shortage of motor transport a large part of them marched on foot. Typically the brigade marched by two groups: motorized group (recce company, artillery battalion, mortar battalion, tank regiment carrying one rifle battalion as riders and the portion of infantry that can be lifted by available motor transport), and a foot group - the remaining infantry. The same applies to the motorized rifle brigade except the absence of tanks and tank riders.
Thanks to both :) ok i see. How many soldiers by tank small T-60/70 or T-34 or heavy JS-2 or ISU please ? i think 6 and 8 about
tank regiment carrying one rifle battalion
All Soviets units in comparison with Western are clearly more small and even for post WWII TOE but as this Bn have only 400 mens the 53 later 65 tanks could transported easy infantry but it was very dangerous for mens to be on the tank and very rustic conditions of transport !

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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by Art » 21 Jan 2019 16:14

FORBIN Yves wrote:
21 Jan 2019 12:11
Thanks to both :) ok i see. How many soldiers by tank small T-60/70 or T-34 or heavy JS-2 or ISU please ? i think 6 and 8 about
Here is a pattern from a 1942's instruction:
http://armor.kiev.ua/Battle/WWII/tactik/Image3.gif

In practice, I guess, it might be smaller or larger depending on circumstances.

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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by Gary Kennedy » 21 Jan 2019 21:47

Nakhodchanin, that's a terrific amount of work you've done there, thanks for sharing.

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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 25 Jan 2019 18:02

Art wrote:
20 Jan 2019 17:30
Theoretically the infantry in the mechanized/motorized brigades was supposed to be transported by trucks. In reality given a chronic shortage of motor transport a large part of them marched on foot. Typically the brigade marched by two groups: motorized group (recce company, artillery battalion, mortar battalion, tank regiment carrying one rifle battalion as riders and the portion of infantry that can be lifted by available motor transport), and a foot group - the remaining infantry. The same applies to the motorized rifle brigade except the absence of tanks and tank riders.
This document from 47 Motor-rifle Brigade illustrates the point:

Расчет погрузки на автотранспорт при вводе в прорыв частей 47 мбр
[Calculation of load on vehicles when entering into the breakthrough of units of 47 Motor-rifle Brigade]
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=452405957

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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by Nakhodchanin » 26 Jan 2019 20:30

Hello to the whole community! Special greeting to you Gary Kennedy! Thank you for the attention! I apologize to all that I did not give a link to the original of my last translation. Here is the link: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=452084672 I begin the process of commenting on this report viewtopic.php?p=2182905#p2182905 in detail, which I have announced. I'll start with the section "6.Staffing of the brigade by communication equipment ". How were the means of communication distributed between the units and subunits?
MBde's forces and means of communication by Shtat.jpg
This table is based on a very valuable and interesting material: "Report of the commander of the 35th MBde on selected issues of combat experience study " on 15 pages with diagrams. The original is here: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=452581777 - 3rd and 4th pages
3rd page.jpg
4th page.jpg
These both sources (47th sep.MBde & 35th MBde) do not match each other completely, the most notable similarity - two types of radio stations (RBM & RB with extended antenna) are presented as analogues. In other reporting documents, I did not find this. Examples:
Certificate of communication equipment of the 27th Grd.MRBde May 31, 1944 page 1.jpg
Certificate of communication equipment of the 27th Grd.MRBde May 31, 1944 page 2.jpg
Link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=451529643 The same documents on tank brigade: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=452288056 - 40th Grd.TBde, and reporting document of Tank Corps: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=136926920 - 9th Grd.TC. In these documents are similar to the type of specified radio stations - RBS & A-7-A. I have displayed this in my table as well as the problematic number of phones in document's 35th MBde. The error lies in the data of Signal Plt of HQ Co, two phones UNA-FI should be there. Indirect evidence: ''Information on the combat and numerical composition of artillery of 35th MBde as of February 13, 1945" - https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=452067730. Unfortunately, the data on the Recon Co is not in the original source, I used the information from here: https://www.hgwdavie.com/s/010-420-Mech-Bde.xls Thank you very much, Der Alte Fritz for this material! On topic of communication equipment on this moment all.

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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by Art » 28 Jan 2019 22:01

Interesting documents, thanks. Pay attention that in battalion networks RBS radios were typically substituted with A-7A. Which was not exactly an equal substitute since A-7A had a different frequency range and couldn't communicate with most other stand-alone or tanks radios.

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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by Art » 29 Jan 2019 09:12

Report of the commander of the 35th MBde on selected issues of combat experience study " on 15 pages with diagrams. The original is here: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=452581777
This documents is also interesting as a presentation of motifs typical for reports from other units:
- Anti-tank rifles are all but useless in 1945 and should be substituted with captured fausts
- 45-mm AT guns are similarly worthless and are largely substituted with 57-mm guns (ZIS-2)
- Dodge WC is best as a tractor for AT guns (small size, mobility)
- mixed mortar battalion (120 and 82-mm mortars) doesn't have a useful purpose. It is proposed to have a uniform mortars battalions with three 120-mm batteries instead
- a brigade artillery HQ is needed (it was improvised in practice in many cases)
- stronger recon elements are needed (improvised recon platoons created in battalions)

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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by Nakhodchanin » 29 Jan 2019 18:17

I greeting all comunity! I am pleased to welcome you, Art! Thank you very much for your attention and your helpful comments! You saved me time, because I was going to tell the community a little bit about the content of this report https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=452581777. Thanks again! But still, I add the following - according to the information from page 22, until the end of war on weapons ATGBty of MRBn were 45-mm ATG on Shtat, for the new 57-mm ATG the Shtat has not changed. And whether there were directives (from NKO, General Staff, GAU) which regulated questions with inevitable changes in the Table of Artillery Equipment (Табель Артиллерийского имущества) to Shtat № 010/421, this is a question! It is also interesting that, in 35th MBde offer to increase the composition of gun-crew's 57-mm ATG to 8-9 men (almost like 122-mm Divisional Howitzer M-30 8O ), but here next door in native 1st MechCorps lives 219th TBde on Shtat № 010/500-010/506 with 6-men of gun-crew's 57-mm ATG, according to this Shtat!
Before my previous post, there was an exchange of views on the issue of transportation of Soviet Mech/Mot Infantry, for its part and especially for Der Alte Fritz (if I understand correctly, your specialize - military transportation) I present an interesting document:
The plan for the redistribution of ''US-6'' on subunits of 26th MRBde to a march in ''rasputiza''.jpg
Link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=451530212 As I assume, this document was compiled by command of 26th MRBde for 19th TCorps HQ, in order to calculate the mobility of Mot.Infantry Element. I call such organizational documents - "Micromanagement in organization of military units, in the field, in Soviet style". Here, by the way, there was an example of micromanagement in a combat organization: viewtopic.php?p=2172389#p2172389

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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by Nakhodchanin » 02 Feb 2019 19:02

Hello to the whole community! In continuation of this post - viewtopic.php?p=2184363#p2184363 I want to present material for comparison and analysis about Mot.Rfl.Bde. "Report on the organization of communication 56th Mot.Rfl.Bde for the period from March 22 to April 14, 1945" on 9 pages with diagrams. Link: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454966807 On the 2nd page, where indicated staffing of the brigade by communication equipment:
page 2nd.jpg
we can notice not only the replacement of RBS with A-7-A, but new precedent of substitution - instead of RB appeared 12RP/12RPM, with an increase in the number. The latter fact is due to the fact that in the counting took into account radios 12RP mounted on light armored cars BA-64 (7x12RP-in Arty Div + 4x12RP on 4xBA-64 in Recon Co = 11 by Shtat in this Report). This calculation of radio stations is not unique:
Report on numerical and combat composition of 3rd Grd.MBde as of January 25, 1945.jpg
The original is here: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=136059133 In addition to 12RP on BA-64, Wireless sets No.19 on APCs could also be taken in count. I also want to note that the replacement of RB to 12RP were in Tank Brigades, example - in my previous post, I gave the link on Certificate of communication equipment of 40th Grd.TBde of 11 Grd.TC https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=452288056, can be compared to a similar document of 38th sep.Grd.TBde - https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454969827 An important point to which attention should be paid, what is the conclusion made with regard to the equipment of Recon Co by means of communication. If in report of 35th MBde of 1st MC on 11st page expresses the need for more powerful communication equipment than available - 1хRBM (on truck) & 3x12RP (on BA), similar RSB mounted on APC, whereas in report of 56th MRBde of 23rd TC on 9th page (the 7th point of section 8.''General conclusion'') in General offer to be limited to one radio similar 12RP, which, according to notes number 1. from this scheme:
Radio communication scheme of 56 MRBde in battles for city of Győr.jpg
can be installed in BA-64 as needed. This is not surprising - Mech.Bde is more self-sufficient combat unit, even as one of the three motorized infantry elements of Mech.Corps. I cannot fail to note another example of flexibility in optimizing the distribution of forces and means, this time in communication equipment -
page 3rd.jpg
and
page 4th.jpg
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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by Art » 04 Feb 2019 21:38

Returning to the topic: an almost complete reconstruction of the brigade HQ
HQ of the mechanized/motorized rifle brigade – shtat 010/420

A. Command
- brigade commander
- deputy commander
- political deputy
- assistant commander, technical officer
- assistant commander, supply&administration

B. Staff
- chief of staff
- deputy CoS, chief of operations (I section)
- assistant CoS, operations
- deputy CoS, chief of intelligence (II section)
- assistant CoS, intelligence
- assistant CoS, chief of communications (III section)
- assistant chief of communications, radio
- assistant CoS, personnel and registration (IV section)
- senior assistant CoS, encoding (V section)
- assistant CoS, encoding
- senior liaison officer
- 2 liaison officers
- file officer
- 3 clerks (NCOs)

C. Political department
(-chief of department, deputy brigade commander)
- deputy chief of department, senior instructor, organizations
- assistant chief of political department, Komsomol
- senior instructor
- instructor, registration
- secretary
- clerk (sergeant)

D. Chiefs of services
- chief of engineer service
- chief of chemical service
- deputy chief of chemical service
- brigade doctor

E. Chief of artillery and ordnance supply
- chief of artillery
- chief of ordnance supply
- assistant chief of ordnance supply
- clerk (sergeant)

F. Technical section
(chief of technical section, brigade assistant commander)
- assistant chief of section, repair
- chief of POL supply
- file officer
- clerk (sergeant)

G. Intendancy section
(- chief of section, assistant brigade commander for administration&supply)
- chief of ration supply
- chief of clothing&general items supply
- chief of finance
- file officer
- 3 clerks (sergeants)

H. Commandant and traffic control platoon
- platoon commander, HQ commandant (off) - SMG
- assistant platoon commander (NCO) – semi-automatic rifle
- 2 section leaders (NCOs) - SMG
- 2 machine gunners (NCOs) – DP light machine gun
- 18 riflemen (pvt) – semi-automatic rifle

I. Transport section
- chief of section (NCO)
- 6 drivers (pvt) – carbine
- 2 privates (?) – carbine
- 2 cars, GAZ staff bus, GAZ club vehicle, ambulance truck (GAZ-55), 1 GAZ (1.5t) truck

(Club)
- chief of club, librarian (off)
- cinema&radio mechanic (off)
Which gives 41 officers, 15 NCOs, 26 privates (82 men total), 3 SMGs, 19 semi-automatic rifles, 8 carbines, 2 light machine guns. Some amendments were made to the TO&E later with 2 officers deleted, can't trace them right now.

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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by Leo Niehorster » 05 Feb 2019 12:02

Sorry, I am getting confused.
Many of the postings here do not include dates. Apparently, nor do the charts. Is this because a/the covering letter indicated the date?

Is there a list of Shtat which shows:
— the date the Shtat was introduced,
— what date & what changes were made,
— what date and by which Shtat it was replaced?

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Re: Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/420-432 1943

Post by Art » 05 Feb 2019 12:15

As far I can see all the stuff posted was related to the topic title (Shtat 010/420-43 from February 1943)

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