Soviet T-27 tankette captured during the Winter War?

[Juha Tompuri]

Splitted from http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9&t=196989

/Juha

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What T-27?

T-27 this is Soviet sub-tank based on Carden-Loyd Mk.IV. About 100 of this sub-tanks took part in Winter war. From May 1941 not used as battle equipment. Uses as training tank and artillery tractor.

http://www.opoccuu.com/t27.htm

Thanks guys,

What I wondered, was...

"Bericht über russische Kampfwagen auf Grund einer Besichtigung erbeutener Kampfwagen in Hämenlinna, Finnland (T-27, Komsomoletz, T-26, OT-26, OT-130, OT-133, T-28)" composed in 1940 or 1941.

... that I don't remember reading of any T-27 tanks captured by Finns.

Regards, Juha

[JTV]

] ... that I don't remember reading of any T-27 tanks captured by Finns.

None of the Finnish books mention captured T-27. Anyway, my archive finds contain document sent by (Antitank) Gun Company of 5th Brigade (Tyk.K / 5. Prikaati) of in 21st of December 1940. In this document the particular unit ordered track bolts for winter track shoes of T-27 type towing tractor and set of four 700 x 16 size rubber tires for BA-27 armored car.

According markings the order went through HQ of 5th Brigade to Tampere Car Depot (Tampereen Autovarikko) and from there it ended to Armour Centre Repair Shop (Panssarikeskuskorjaamo) in Varkaus.

Did Komsomolets A20 use similar tank tracks as T-27? Could also be case of mistaken identity or this unit had been issued with older captured armoured vehicles containing at least one T-27?

Jarkko

[Juha Tompuri]

A German origin educational board from year 1936 from Finnish Reserve Officer School archives / my collection:

[John Hilly]

Finland bought one Vickers-Carden-Loyd VI in 1933 and it remained at use till 1941.
So if the tracks were the same, Panssarikeskuskorjaamo well might have spare parts.
And another maybe... it was lost before being written to history?

With best,
J-P

[Juha Tompuri]

Bingo!

A photo from Finnish war booty exhibition, February 1940:
http://www.uusisuomi.fi/artikkelit/mott ... suhallissa (scroll the photo collection)

[Juha Tompuri]

http://www.aviarmor.net/tww2/tanks/ussr/ot27.htm (here a flamethrower version)

[Slon-76]

Hi!

Probably this machine from 44 Division. I wrote on this forum about the t-27 losses, but I can't find where.

[Juha Tompuri]

Hi!

Probably this machine from 44 Division.

Quite possibly. as AFAIK much of the stuff at the exhibition came from Suomussalmi region.

I wrote on this forum about the t-27 losses, but I can't find where.

Perhaps here:

25-th, 146-th, 305-th rifle regiments 44-th division - On six T-27 (not T-37) in everyone
The destiny is unknown

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... t#p1375163

Regards, Juha

[Esa Muikku]

There were three War Booty Exhibions in Helsinki. The photos in the link above are collected from each exhibition. The photo with a T-27 is not from the Winter War exhibition. Also, no T-27s were captured during the Winter War. However, in the beginning of the Continuation War a few were destroyed and three captured in Värtsilä.

[Juha Tompuri]

There were three War Booty Exhibions in Helsinki. The photos in the link above are collected from each exhibition.

Yes, I knew about the different exhibitions.

The photo with a T-27 is not from the Winter War exhibition. Also, no T-27s were captured during the Winter War.

I have tried to figure out how the exhibition items were placed at each exhibition, and I thought that that photo was from the Winter War era one.

The whole "search" originated from the Pekka Kantakoski book mentioned sources:

This one sounds interesting (even seemingly based on Finnish tests):
"Bericht über russische Kampfwagen auf Grund einer Besichtigung erbeutener Kampfwagen in Hämenlinna, Finnland (T-27, Komsomoletz, T-26, OT-26, OT-130, OT-133, T-28)" composed in 1940 or 1941.

What T-27?

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9#p1772497

However, in the beginning of the Continuation War a few were destroyed and three captured in Värtsilä.

I knew the Värtsilä ones, but captured and captured , as weren't they so badly burnt (by retreating Soviet forces ?), that none of them could have been the vehicle at the exhibition?
At Ala-Kurtti(?) one was captured by Germans/Finns?
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5427&hilit
Were there more?

Regards, Juha

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edit: Kantakoski mentions at page 496 at his book about a "kääpiö Wickers" (midget Vickers) vehicle that was captured during 1941 and sent to be repaired, but scrapped later.

[Slon-76]

Staff of the 44th Division reported a loss in the region Suomussalmi 10 t-27

[Juha Tompuri]

Staff of the 44th Division reported a loss in the region Suomussalmi 10 t-27

Thanks, do you know what was their fate?
Were they destroyed or "just" left behind and/or recovered later by Soviet troops?


Regards, Juha

[Slon-76]

Most left during the retreat.

[Esa Muikku]

Heh! That is the Vickers-Carden-Loyd Mk VI* and not a T-27! (Evidence can be found in some details and other photos.)

[Juha Tompuri]

Heh! That is the Vickers-Carden-Loyd Mk VI* and not a T-27! (Evidence can be found in some details and other photos.)

Even more strange.
Do you mean the "towing ring" at the photo as one evidence ?


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/79156780 ... -H%C3%A4me