Kriegsmarine auxilliary cruisers aka merchant raiders

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Kriegsmarine auxilliary cruisers aka merchant raiders

Post by Panzermahn » 19 Apr 2003 09:05

Which isthe most interesting of all merchant raiders? any site on this?

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Post by Aufklarung » 19 Apr 2003 11:58

Panzermahn
To me the most interesting "Raider" was Atlantis. Capt Rogge did an outstanding job and exceeded his mandate quite handily. Pinquin and Thor also had some interesting encounters but all in all I think it was Atlantis that was most sucessful. Hope this helps.
http://www.german-navy.de/marine_main.htm
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Post by Panzermahn » 19 Apr 2003 13:55

aufklarung,

atlantis = sunk the most ship

komet = circumnavigate the world including the northeast ice passage with the help of a russian icebreaker

kormoran = sunk a light cruiser (HMAS Sydney)

thor = survived 3 encounters with 3 british armed merchant cruiser

pinguin = captured the most ships

orion = the longest distance operating

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Post by Sgt. Reese » 20 Apr 2003 10:39

am i reading this correctly?

Nazi Pirates?

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Post by varjag » 20 Apr 2003 11:32

Sgt. Reese wrote:am i reading this correctly?

Nazi Pirates?
Hey Sarge - pirates is a little bit strong, they were commissioned ships in the German Navy - and did a damn good job from a 'return-on-investment' point of view.

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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 20 Apr 2003 17:34

They really did a bad job compared to the exploits of the "Emdem" in WWI.

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Post by Aufklarung » 20 Apr 2003 20:56

They really did a bad job compared to the exploits of the "Emdem" in WWI.

Agreed. Do you know who the Captain of Emden was?
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Post by Xavier » 20 Apr 2003 21:33

The outbreak of WWI found light cruiser Emden at the German base at Tsingtao (China), part of Admiral Graf von Spee's Far East Squadron. She put to sea on 31 July 1914, under the skilled guidance of Captain von Müller. On 4 August the light cruiser intercepted and captured the Russian mail steamer Ryazan, the first prize taken by German Navy in WWI

here you can find a complete account of the demise of the sms Emden:

http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1914/emden.html


more history about it:

http://www.airandseamodels.com/demo/emden/emden.htm

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Von Muller's own report about th eloss of the ship:

http://www.gwpda.org/naval/emden.htm

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Post by Aufklarung » 20 Apr 2003 22:08

You the man, Xavier. :D Thanx.
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Post by Juha Hujanen » 21 Apr 2003 07:53

I would recommend Bernhard Rogge-Wolfgang Frank book Schiff 16.It's about exploits of Atlantis.Book is available in Finnish Language too.

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Post by Napoli » 21 Apr 2003 09:45

kormoran = sunk a light cruiser (HMAS Sydney)



Off the top of my head, the light cruiser Sydneywas the pride and head ship of Australia's navy at the time having helped sunk 2 Italian light cruisers in the Med.

When aproaching the Kormoran off Western Australia which was in the proccess of raiding targets which where to supply Britian, the captain of Sydney made the error of pulling in about 1km to the side and Kormoran which was wearing the Dutch flag and opened fire with its single cannon in time to beat the Sydney's burst.
In the end, both ships sank each other with most the German crew being saved later and by memory, no Australian survivors.

In all, a very good victory for the Germans to have sunk Australia's naval pride and best crew with such a contraption they had, and only 2 years ago an inquest was still going on to what had actually happened.

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Post by Starinov » 21 Apr 2003 11:59

varjag wrote:
Sgt. Reese wrote:am i reading this correctly?

Nazi Pirates?
they were commissioned ships in the German Navy

I would say they were corsairs....

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 21 Apr 2003 13:10

Juha Hujanen wrote:I would recommend Bernhard Rogge-Wolfgang Frank book Schiff 16.It's about exploits of Atlantis.Book is available in Finnish Language too.
Cheers/Juha


Yep, called "Kaapparilaiva"(1961).
From the earlier war in Finnish language at least:
Count Nikolaus zu Dohna-Schlodien:
"Kaapparilaiva Möwe"(1917), "Kaapparilaiva Möwen Toinen Seikkailumatka"(1917) and them both at single book called "Kaapparilaiva Möwen Seikkailut"(1938)
Helmuth von Mücke:
"Kaappaajalaiva Emden"(1917)

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Post by varjag » 22 Apr 2003 10:53

Starinov wrote:
varjag wrote:
Sgt. Reese wrote:am i reading this correctly?

Nazi Pirates?
they were commissioned ships in the German Navy

I would say they were corsairs....
LoL Starinov...they certainly were not privateers - because they were on Hitler's payroll. In fact the pirate-corsair-privateer connection is not that far-fetched. I'm not expert on naval law - but this practice of showing 'false colours' and attack ships on the high seas in wartime - I think is still legal. Suspect that it is a legacy of Royal Assent to people like Drake, Hawkins, Störtebeker and others in ancient history - and that, for lack of affirmative action against it - this still is somewhere on the naval book's Rules of Engagement. Can anyone out there amplify?

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