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Post by K.Kocjancic » 18 Feb 2004 19:57

D. Löwenhamn wrote:SS-Unterscharführer Josef "Sepp" Tratnik, 3./SS-Pz.Rgt. 12 (2. Zug).

Source: The Panzers and the Battle of Normandy, Georges Bernage. This book has some really good information about Tratnik.

Best regards/ Daniel


Thanks!

Could you post that info?

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Klemen

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Post by Daniel L » 18 Feb 2004 23:11

It's scattered around in the book so that would be hard. I can recommend the book though, Tratnik was severly wounded when his tank was hit. He lost his ability to speak and had to learn it again by a nurse. Luckily she was German, Tratnik knew French, German and Slovene before his tank was hit.

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Post by Mark V. » 19 Feb 2004 19:07

K.Kocjancic wrote:Do you have any other info on him (DoB, DoD, place of birth,...)?


Sorry, no such info.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 19 Feb 2004 19:16

OK, thanks for info!

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hmm

Post by Franz-Joseph » 24 Feb 2004 00:08

There were acctually Slovenians by nationality in Waffen SS?
If they were, was not Waffen SS very "racial" pure?

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 24 Feb 2004 09:49

Franz-Joseph wrote:There were acctually Slovenians by nationality in Waffen SS?
If they were, was not Waffen SS very "racial" pure?


When Štajerska was occupied it was considered German and was annexed to Reich - that's way, Germans mobilized Slovenes into Army.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 24 Feb 2004 09:50

Mark V.,
where did you find that Slovene - your source?

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Post by Mark V. » 24 Feb 2004 16:59

From memoirs of a Hohenstaufen soldier.

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Post by Oberst Mihael » 26 Feb 2004 19:51

This is interesting stuff, I wish I had any good sources on Slovenes...

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 26 Feb 2004 19:52

Oberst Mihael wrote:This is interesting stuff, I wish I had any good sources on Slovenes...


You're not alone - in wishing this. :wink: :roll:

Probably my "Diplomska naloga" will be on "Slovenes in W-SS" or "Slovenia and W-SS".

LP,
Klemen

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Re: Soldiers of W-SS from Slovenia

Post by trekker » 24 Mar 2013 13:53

K.Kocjancic wrote:The number 600 Slovenes comes from Dežman's research (Dežman is one of the most recognized historians in Slovenia). He is researching German mobilization of Slovenes to German army between 1941-45.

So far, I don't know that was he thinking of, when he revealed this number (just Slovenes or all W-SS members from Slovenia). If he was thinking about Slovenes, then I have here good 1/6 of them.
The number 600 comes from Žnidarič's research, not from Dežman's. It does not refer to Slovenia but to Slovene Styria only. It does not refer to members of Waffen-SS from Slovene Styria in WWII either but to men from Slovene Styria in German army (including Waffen-SS) by the end 1941/beginning 1942.

In 2001 a book on mobilisation of Slovenes in German army was published. Jože Dežman presented his work on mobilisation in the occupied territory Gorenjska (Carniola) and Koroška (Carinthia). Marjan Žnidarič presented his work on mobilisation in the occupied territory Štajerska (Slovene Styria).

Žnidarič analyzed information sent by most of municipalities in Untersteiermark (Slovene Styria enlarged) on men who volunteered in German army by the end 1941/beginning 1942. They were 511 of whom 50 were members of Waffen-SS. Considering those municipalities that didn't sent data or data were lost Žnidarič raised the number 511 to over 600 men. Some of them were not volunteeres but were German citizens who were called up. The estimated 600 men consisted of mostly Germans by nationality and of undefined men belonging to those Slovenes who had joined ethnic Germans' community for mostly economic reasons. Volunteers were 1 in 1937, 1 in 1938, 10 in 1939.

Dežman wrote that only a small number of Slovenes volunteered to Waffen-SS. However, since 1943 some were forced to join Waffen-SS.

Ludvik Puklavec who was active in association of Slovenes called up in German military service during WWII estimated that several hundred men from Slovenia were members of Waffen-SS.

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Post by trekker » 24 Mar 2013 14:20

K.Kocjancic wrote: When Štajerska was occupied it was considered German and was annexed to Reich - that's way, Germans mobilized Slovenes into Army.
It is true that Štajerska was considered German but was not formaly annexed to Reich. Yugoslav citizens of the occupied Slovene Styria were given German citizenship which was permanent for ethnic Germans and conditional for Slovenes. Based on that men from the occupied Slovene Styria were called up in the German army.

related topics:

annexation of Slovenia
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=80060

Steirischer Heimatbund
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5&t=188735

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Re: Soldiers of W-SS from Slovenia

Post by trekker » 24 Mar 2013 14:23

K.Kocjancic wrote:If you know any other Slovene volunteers/members or members of W-SS from Slovenia (Volksdeutscher), please contact me!
These are names of KIA SS members from the occupied Slovene Styria as they appear in obituaries. Slovene names were published in their germanized form.

Anton Jauschnig, age 21, SS-Panzergrenadier, holder of Ostmedaille, KIA November 1943 in the central part of Ostfront / from Kamnica (Gams)

Felix Troll, SS-Sturmmann, age 20, KIA 14.4.1944, Ostfront,
(obituary from 13.5.1944) / from Spodnja Polskava pri Pragerskem (Unter-Pulsgau bei Pragerhof)

Andreas Tischitsch, age 22, SS-Rottenführer, KIA 17.3.1944 in the nothern part of Ostfront / from Gornja Radgona (Oberradkersburg)

Josef Jonke, age 23, SS-Sturm-Mann, KIA 29.3.1944 / from Prelasko (Prelasdorf)

Johann Widowitsch, age 23, SS-Rottenführer, KIA 15.6.1944 in the nothern part of Ostfront / from Pobrežje (Drauweiler)

Eduard Murschetz, born 13.10.1926, SS-Panzergrenadier, KIA August 1944 in Ostfront / from Biš (Wisch)

Emil Pouch, age 18, SS-Panzergrenadier, KIA 29.7.1944 in Ostfront / from Šentilj v Slov. goricah (Egidi)

Franz Perschack, SS-Panzer-Grenadier, KIA 28.6.1944 in Invasionsfront / from Metava

Josef Kolmanko, age 21, SS-Mann, KIA 18.9.1944 in Ostfront /

Johann Achmann, age 20, SS-Jäger, KIA 16.10.1944. in the nothern part of Ostfront / from Velka (Wölling)

Friedrich Hofer, SS-Panzergrenadier, holder of EK 2, KIA 5.2.1945 in Ostfront / from Maribor (Marburg)

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Re: Soldiers of W-SS from Slovenia

Post by Ivan Ž. » 24 Oct 2015 13:17

K.Kocjancic wrote:SS-Schütze Krischanitsch, Otto
Any additional info on him, Klemen? His unit? According to the USHMM, there was a war correspondent named Krischanitsch, and I wonder if it's the same man.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 24 Oct 2015 18:35

So far I haven't found any other info on him or any info that there were Slovene KB.

Interesting photo: http://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1159619

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Klemen

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