Id. Finnish equipment
Id. Finnish equipment
Hi all,
I need help to identify this Finnish searchlight.
What models of AA searchlights used the Finns during Winter and Continuation Wars?
Image from SA-Kuva archive
Sturm78
I need help to identify this Finnish searchlight.
What models of AA searchlights used the Finns during Winter and Continuation Wars?
Image from SA-Kuva archive
Sturm78
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210-cm search light m/41 manufactured by Finnish manufacturer Strömberg Oy.Sturm78 wrote:I need help to identify this Finnish searchlight.
Check:What models of AA searchlights used the Finns during Winter and Continuation Wars?
http://www.oocities.org/finnmilpge/fmp_weapons3.html
Might be worth noting that Finnish anti-aircraft artillery divided search lights into two categories:
- Searchlights used for spotting aircraft, this is what the 150 - 210 cm searchlights were used for.
- Searchlights used for following aircraft which had already been spotted (with larger searchlights), smaller 62 - 110 cm searchlights were typically used for this purpose.
Jarkko
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Ummhhh..... Are you sure? It seems to me rather a searchlight of 150cm size or even smaller.Jarkko wrote
210-cm search light m/41 manufactured by Finnish manufacturer Strömberg Oy
Also, the picture is dated during the Winter War (1939-40) so I do not think it's possible that it is a model m/41
Regards Sturm78
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I compared this photo to photographs shown in Ilmatorjuntamuseo-opas (Guide of Anti-aircraft Museum) page 21. It has photographs of the all six searchlights listed as those used by Finnish anti-aircraft units during World War 2. 210-cm m/41 looks extremely similar while none of the others is even close. Could have been be an earlier version or prototype?Sturm78 wrote: Ummhhh..... Are you sure? It seems to me rather a searchlight of 150cm size or even smaller.
Also, the picture is dated during the Winter War (1939-40) so I do not think it's possible that it is a model m/41
Jarkko
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Hi Jarkko,
I still think this is a smaller searchlight.
200cm diameter searchlights are huge. See this link for some image (Post Number 74) http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 7&start=60
On the other hand, I need help to identify this radio equipment. I asked here but without success
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &start=165
Image from SA-Kuva archive
Sturm78
I still think this is a smaller searchlight.
200cm diameter searchlights are huge. See this link for some image (Post Number 74) http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 7&start=60
On the other hand, I need help to identify this radio equipment. I asked here but without success
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &start=165
Image from SA-Kuva archive
Sturm78
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Well, at least it is Strömberg manufactured and most probably photographed on 25th February 1940:Sturm78 wrote:Hi Jarkko,
I still think this is a smaller searchlight.
200cm diameter searchlights are huge. See this link for some image (Post Number 74) http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 7&start=60
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=1570311
It is a Hellberg (Finnish) manufactured P-12-10 (=older designation) / VRFN (=new designation, taken in to use during Continuation War)Sturm78 wrote:On the other hand, I need help to identify this radio equipment.
Regards, Juha
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If you compare the searchligt to men, it cannot be 210 cm, more like 150.
With best,
J-P
With best,
J-P
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The 150cm is mentioned here too:John Hilly wrote:If you compare the searchligt to men, it cannot be 210 cm, more like 150.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/saminkuva ... otostream/
Regards, Juha
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Thank you very much for your help, JuhaJuha wrote
It is a Hellberg (Finnish) manufactured P-12-10 (=older designation) / VRFN (=new designation, taken in to use during Continuation War)
Yes, the searchlight of the link match with the searchlight of the image from SA-Kuva archive.
According to your link http://www.oocities.org/finnmilpge/fmp_weapons3.html there were the following searchlights in Finnish service :
150cm m/32 SIA
90cm m/35 SIA
110cm m/37
210cm m/41 Strömberg
150cm m/42 AEG
Therefore, if in your last link, the searchlight is correctly identified as a 150cm Strömberg model, in this list would lack an 150cm model of Strömberg company, no??
Regards Sturm78
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Just my 5 cents worth:Sturm78 wrote: According to your link http://www.oocities.org/finnmilpge/fmp_weapons3.html there were the following searchlights in Finnish service :
150cm m/32 SIA
90cm m/35 SIA
110cm m/37
210cm m/41 Strömberg
150cm m/42 AEG
Therefore, if in your last link, the searchlight is correctly identified as a 150cm Strömberg model, in this list would lack an 150cm model of Strömberg company, no??
I very much doubt that the particular list is complete. IMO it is noteworthy that the website lists exactly the same searchlights as old Ilmatorjuntamuseo-opas (Guide for Anti-aircraft Artillery Museum) booklet, which as name suggests was intended as a guide for those who visiting the particular museum. The thing is - the musem apparently has these five searchlights in its inventory, so the booklet lists them, but it probably was never intended to be a complete list of all searchlight models used by Finnish military. Sadly the particular booklet seems to be as good as it gets, since what I remember other Finnish publications about anti-aircraft weapons and anti-aircraft units do not cover the subject of searchlights.
Jarkko
Last edited by JTV on 09 Apr 2014, 12:59, edited 2 times in total.
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It seems that the issue of anti-aircraft searchlights is a subject rarely studied in general.
On the other hand, I need help with this radio equipment:
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Regards Sturm78
On the other hand, I need help with this radio equipment:
Image from SA-Kuva archive
Regards Sturm78
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Telefunken SE 499 A
Finnish designations Telefunken C, Telefunken CD and later VRFSA
Regards, Juha
P.S. the SA-photo archive photo numbers of the photos would be interesting/heplful
Finnish designations Telefunken C, Telefunken CD and later VRFSA
Regards, Juha
P.S. the SA-photo archive photo numbers of the photos would be interesting/heplful
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Thank you very much for your help, Juha.
Do you know if this radio equipment was also in German Army service ?
Which was the german designation of this radio equipment?
On the other hand, Do you know the origin of these aerial bombs in use with Finnish Air Force during the Winter War? British??
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Regards Sturm78
Do you know if this radio equipment was also in German Army service ?
Which was the german designation of this radio equipment?
On the other hand, Do you know the origin of these aerial bombs in use with Finnish Air Force during the Winter War? British??
Image from SA-Kuva archive
Regards Sturm78
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I only learned yesterday, that photo number is hidden behind the i button!Juha Tompuri wrote:P.S. the SA-photo archive photo numbers of the photos would be interesting/heplful
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Information not shared is lost!Sturm78 wrote:Thank you very much for your help, Juha.
Well it was offered , but it was not selected when 1935 Wehrmacht chose a new field radio type.Sturm78 wrote:Do you know if this radio equipment was also in German Army service ?
Which was the german designation of this radio equipment?
However Telefunken exported the type to Austria - so it might have come to use that way.
Also Sweden bought the Telefunken, and the Finnish used radios were bought from there.
SE 499A is the manufacturers designation and the (German?) designation of the station is STAT.269 BS
As the SA-photo (5863-5865 and 5870) captions also mention, they seem to be the British 120 lbs bombs (for from Britain delivered Blenheim IV bombers)Sturm78 wrote:On the other hand, Do you know the origin of these aerial bombs in use with Finnish Air Force during the Winter War? British??
Regards, Juha