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Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 27 Mar 2014 12:29

Hi all,

I need help to identify this Finnish searchlight.
What models of AA searchlights used the Finns during Winter and Continuation Wars?

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by JTV » 27 Mar 2014 18:38

Sturm78 wrote:I need help to identify this Finnish searchlight.
210-cm search light m/41 manufactured by Finnish manufacturer Strömberg Oy.
What models of AA searchlights used the Finns during Winter and Continuation Wars?
Check:
http://www.oocities.org/finnmilpge/fmp_weapons3.html

Might be worth noting that Finnish anti-aircraft artillery divided search lights into two categories:
- Searchlights used for spotting aircraft, this is what the 150 - 210 cm searchlights were used for.
- Searchlights used for following aircraft which had already been spotted (with larger searchlights), smaller 62 - 110 cm searchlights were typically used for this purpose.

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Post by Sturm78 » 27 Mar 2014 19:46

Jarkko wrote
210-cm search light m/41 manufactured by Finnish manufacturer Strömberg Oy
Ummhhh..... :? Are you sure? It seems to me rather a searchlight of 150cm size or even smaller.
Also, the picture is dated during the Winter War (1939-40) so I do not think it's possible that it is a model m/41

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Post by JTV » 27 Mar 2014 21:28

Sturm78 wrote: Ummhhh..... :? Are you sure? It seems to me rather a searchlight of 150cm size or even smaller.
Also, the picture is dated during the Winter War (1939-40) so I do not think it's possible that it is a model m/41
I compared this photo to photographs shown in Ilmatorjuntamuseo-opas (Guide of Anti-aircraft Museum) page 21. It has photographs of the all six searchlights listed as those used by Finnish anti-aircraft units during World War 2. 210-cm m/41 looks extremely similar while none of the others is even close. Could have been be an earlier version or prototype?

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 04 Apr 2014 13:11

Hi Jarkko,

I still think this is a smaller searchlight.
200cm diameter searchlights are huge. See this link for some image (Post Number 74) http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 7&start=60

On the other hand, I need help to identify this radio equipment. I asked here but without success
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &start=165

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 04 Apr 2014 20:29

Sturm78 wrote:Hi Jarkko,

I still think this is a smaller searchlight.
200cm diameter searchlights are huge. See this link for some image (Post Number 74) http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 7&start=60
Well, at least it is Strömberg manufactured and most probably photographed on 25th February 1940:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=1570311
Sturm78 wrote:On the other hand, I need help to identify this radio equipment.
It is a Hellberg (Finnish) manufactured P-12-10 (=older designation) / VRFN (=new designation, taken in to use during Continuation War)

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Post by John Hilly » 05 Apr 2014 16:06

If you compare the searchligt to men, it cannot be 210 cm, more like 150.

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 05 Apr 2014 18:34

John Hilly wrote:If you compare the searchligt to men, it cannot be 210 cm, more like 150.
The 150cm is mentioned here too:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/saminkuva ... otostream/

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 06 Apr 2014 19:32

Juha wrote
It is a Hellberg (Finnish) manufactured P-12-10 (=older designation) / VRFN (=new designation, taken in to use during Continuation War)
Thank you very much for your help, Juha
Juha wrote
The 150cm is mentioned here too:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/saminkuva ... otostream/
Yes, the searchlight of the link match with the searchlight of the image from SA-Kuva archive.
According to your link http://www.oocities.org/finnmilpge/fmp_weapons3.html there were the following searchlights in Finnish service :

150cm m/32 SIA
90cm m/35 SIA
110cm m/37
210cm m/41 Strömberg
150cm m/42 AEG

Therefore, if in your last link, the searchlight is correctly identified as a 150cm Strömberg model, in this list would lack an 150cm model of Strömberg company, no?? :?

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Post by JTV » 08 Apr 2014 13:13

Sturm78 wrote: According to your link http://www.oocities.org/finnmilpge/fmp_weapons3.html there were the following searchlights in Finnish service :

150cm m/32 SIA
90cm m/35 SIA
110cm m/37
210cm m/41 Strömberg
150cm m/42 AEG

Therefore, if in your last link, the searchlight is correctly identified as a 150cm Strömberg model, in this list would lack an 150cm model of Strömberg company, no?? :?
Just my 5 cents worth:
I very much doubt that the particular list is complete. IMO it is noteworthy that the website lists exactly the same searchlights as old Ilmatorjuntamuseo-opas (Guide for Anti-aircraft Artillery Museum) booklet, which as name suggests was intended as a guide for those who visiting the particular museum. The thing is - the musem apparently has these five searchlights in its inventory, so the booklet lists them, but it probably was never intended to be a complete list of all searchlight models used by Finnish military. Sadly the particular booklet seems to be as good as it gets, since what I remember other Finnish publications about anti-aircraft weapons and anti-aircraft units do not cover the subject of searchlights.

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 09 Apr 2014 10:04

It seems that the issue of anti-aircraft searchlights is a subject rarely studied in general. :(

On the other hand, I need help with this radio equipment:

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 09 Apr 2014 11:01

Telefunken SE 499 A
Finnish designations Telefunken C, Telefunken CD and later VRFSA

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P.S. the SA-photo archive photo numbers of the photos would be interesting/heplful

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Post by Sturm78 » 09 Apr 2014 22:32

Thank you very much for your help, Juha. :wink:

Do you know if this radio equipment was also in German Army service ?
Which was the german designation of this radio equipment?

On the other hand, Do you know the origin of these aerial bombs in use with Finnish Air Force during the Winter War? British?? :?

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by John Hilly » 10 Apr 2014 17:30

Juha Tompuri wrote:P.S. the SA-photo archive photo numbers of the photos would be interesting/heplful
I only learned yesterday, that photo number is hidden behind the i button! :oops:

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 15 Apr 2014 21:56

Sturm78 wrote:Thank you very much for your help, Juha. :wink:
Information not shared is lost! :)
Sturm78 wrote:Do you know if this radio equipment was also in German Army service ?
Which was the german designation of this radio equipment?
Well it was offered , but it was not selected when 1935 Wehrmacht chose a new field radio type.
However Telefunken exported the type to Austria - so it might have come to use that way.
Also Sweden bought the Telefunken, and the Finnish used radios were bought from there.
SE 499A is the manufacturers designation and the (German?) designation of the station is STAT.269 BS
Sturm78 wrote:On the other hand, Do you know the origin of these aerial bombs in use with Finnish Air Force during the Winter War? British?? :?
As the SA-photo (5863-5865 and 5870) captions also mention, they seem to be the British 120 lbs bombs (for from Britain delivered Blenheim IV bombers)

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