Hameln Prison Reburials

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Re: Hameln Prison Reburials

Post by Konrad Hagen » 10 Mar 2018 15:05

nora93 wrote:
Konrad Hagen wrote:
The Jew, Gelderblom, has a webpage recounting (in a prejudiced manner) incidents surrounding those graves in 1986. Although biased the article is worth reading if only for the contemporary press reports contained within it.

http://www.gelderblom-hameln.de/zuchtha ... 51986.html

Bernhard Gelderblom is not Jewish but ethnic German. Not that his ethnic background has any relevance.
You are correct in saying Gelderblom is not ethnically Jewish. However, I believe his soul is Jewish.

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Re: Hameln Prison Reburials

Post by nora93 » 10 Mar 2018 19:43

Konrad Hagen wrote:
nora93 wrote:
Konrad Hagen wrote:
The Jew, Gelderblom, has a webpage recounting (in a prejudiced manner) incidents surrounding those graves in 1986. Although biased the article is worth reading if only for the contemporary press reports contained within it.

http://www.gelderblom-hameln.de/zuchtha ... 51986.html

Bernhard Gelderblom is not Jewish but ethnic German. Not that his ethnic background has any relevance.
You are correct in saying Gelderblom is not ethnically Jewish. However, I believe his soul is Jewish.


It doesn't matter what you believe about his soul.
A Jew is either an individual who as a Jewish mother or an individual who formally converted to Judaism. It can also be used to talk about someone of Jewish origins.
As Bernhard Gelderblom doesn't belong to any of these cases (unless you can prove otherwise), he shouldn't be labelled as Jewish.


According to you this German man's work is prejudiced and biased but apparently you don't see any problem with your sentence which I bolded in my quote which is factually wrong and written in a bigoted tone (I mean when one starts by "The Jew . .." it generally is) which seems to imply a link between Bernhard Gelderblom's (non-existent) Jewishness and its work. Why make a mention of that ?

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Re: Hameln Prison Reburials

Post by Konrad Hagen » 14 Mar 2018 21:27

nora93 wrote:
It doesn't matter what you believe about his soul.
A Jew is either an individual who as a Jewish mother or an individual who formally converted to Judaism. It can also be used to talk about someone of Jewish origins.
As Bernhard Gelderblom doesn't belong to any of these cases (unless you can prove otherwise), he shouldn't be labelled as Jewish.

You are correct. Nestbeschmutzer would have been a more accurate description of Herr Gelderblom.

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Re: Hameln Prison Reburials

Post by Sergey Romanov » 16 Mar 2018 08:29

LineDoggie wrote:
Janssen wrote:
One of those crosses is probably the grave of Irma Grese, the poor girl they called the beautiful beast.
"Poor Girl"?
"beautiful"?

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Re: Hameln Prison Reburials

Post by Sergey Romanov » 16 Mar 2018 12:56

Konrad Hagen wrote:
nora93 wrote:
It doesn't matter what you believe about his soul.
A Jew is either an individual who as a Jewish mother or an individual who formally converted to Judaism. It can also be used to talk about someone of Jewish origins.
As Bernhard Gelderblom doesn't belong to any of these cases (unless you can prove otherwise), he shouldn't be labelled as Jewish.

You are correct. Nestbeschmutzer would have been a more accurate description of Herr Gelderblom.
A neo-Nazi would say something like that, yes.

That's why neo-Nazis belong in prisons.

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Re: Hameln Prison Reburials

Post by Puck » 16 Mar 2018 13:45

Konrad Hagen wrote:Nestbeschmutzer would have been a more accurate description of Herr Gelderblom.
Fortunately the days of a forced "Volksgemeinschafts-Nest" had passed when Gelderblom started as a local historian to show how dirty this nest was.

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Re: Hameln Prison Reburials

Post by David Thompson » 16 Mar 2018 15:39

Let's get back on topic.

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Re: Hameln Prison Reburials

Post by Little John » 18 Mar 2018 14:32

My apologies, I did not intend to start any disagreement here. I have been interested in the stories of the trials and executions for several decades and finding myself last weekend at long last in the vicinity of Hameln I decided to go and check out the actual places concerned.

Sincere thanks to Konrad Hagen for his efforts to help me. In the end I found the gravesite very easily. I have marked it on the map of the cemetery with a red spot.

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When you walk up from the buildings on the forecourt you will come very quickly to a fork as shown in the next picture. Take the right hand patrh which leads downwards. The metal fence in the picture seems to be a temporary measure as they are creating a memorial to victims of the Nazis alongside the executed persons' gravesite.

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In this next picture you can see the graves and memorial to the victims of the Nazis (persons executed by the Nazis in Hameln prison). Just beyond that is the site of the mass graves of the Nazis executed by the British.

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And in this next image you can see the same view from the other end of the path. That is the gravesite as it is today. They seem to have been doing some work in the vicinity so I have no idea whether or not it will remain as it is in the future.

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If anyone has any further information or wants to know any more details of the site please ask and I will try my best to answer. Many thanks.

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Re: Hameln Prison Reburials

Post by Brumbar » 19 Mar 2018 06:00

Little John wrote:My apologies, I did not intend to start any disagreement here. I have been interested in the stories of the trials and executions for several decades and finding myself last weekend at long last in the vicinity of Hameln I decided to go and check out the actual places concerned.

Sincere thanks to Konrad Hagen for his efforts to help me. In the end I found the gravesite very easily. I have marked it on the map of the cemetery with a red spot.

Image

When you walk up from the buildings on the forecourt you will come very quickly to a fork as shown in the next picture. Take the right hand patrh which leads downwards. The metal fence in the picture seems to be a temporary measure as they are creating a memorial to victims of the Nazis alongside the executed persons' gravesite.

Image

In this next picture you can see the graves and memorial to the victims of the Nazis (persons executed by the Nazis in Hameln prison). Just beyond that is the site of the mass graves of the Nazis executed by the British.

Image

And in this next image you can see the same view from the other end of the path. That is the gravesite as it is today. They seem to have been doing some work in the vicinity so I have no idea whether or not it will remain as it is in the future.

Image

If anyone has any further information or wants to know any more details of the site please ask and I will try my best to answer. Many thanks.
What exactly is the satisfaction in spending time on this? Not trying to be rude, but frankly I can't see why.

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Re: Hameln Prison Reburials

Post by Little John » 19 Mar 2018 14:57

Brumbar wrote:
What exactly is the satisfaction in spending time on this? Not trying to be rude, but frankly I can't see why.
And what do you spend time on?

Like many on this forum I am interested in the history of the Third Reich and whenever possible I like to see the places where this history occurred. I happened to be near Hameln last week on other business and decided to make a trip out to see something that I have heard referred to frequently over the years, namely these graves. This interests me and obviously some others here too as there is already a thread on the subject. If one is not interested one need not read the thread.

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Re: Hameln Prison Reburials

Post by David Thompson » 19 Mar 2018 20:05

Brumbar -- You asked Little John:
What exactly is the satisfaction in spending time on this? Not trying to be rude, but frankly I can't see why.
The forum purpose is to present facts about 20th Century warfare, fact-based argument, and other on-topic factual materials of interest to our readers. Questions about the motivation of one or another poster in starting, or contributing, to a thread, don't advance our forum purpose. If you feel that your question is important, please use our PM system to discuss it. Unnecessarily long quotes wastes bandwidth as well, and has the tendency to bore the readers who have just looked through the materials you're quoting. Please avoid this practice in future posts.

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Re: Hameln Prison Reburials

Post by Konrad Hagen » 20 Mar 2018 21:26

Thank you very much Little John for your comprehensive report on finding the unmarked graves of those who fell victim to victors vengeance all those years ago. Yours is exactly the type of post which makes the Axis History Forum stand out from the crowd.

Judging from your photographs it would appear as though the authorities have deliberately reduced the size of the memorial area by allowing part of the original site to become overgrown with vegetation.


P.S. Little John, check your private messages.

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