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Phleps

Post by Glenn2438 » 05 May 2003 08:29

And Phleps as a Rumanian general officer.

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 05 May 2003 08:50

Great Glenn!

I will have to join now. There were two other generals of german origin in the Romanian Army:

Schmidt Carol (1886-1962)
Schwab Hugo (1887-1944), suicide 1944

Is there a chance that you can provide pics of them, too.

btw: Quite active day Søren. Good start. 14 posts a day is a quite impressive ratio.

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 05 May 2003 08:58

Sorry Glenn!

I found Schwab myself.

Great day as I also found a bio at:
http://www.siebenbuerger.de/sbz/sbz/new ... 8857,.html

He was honoured by naming a street "Schwab street" in Targu Neamt (Romania) in 2001.

Here is Schwab:
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Post by sylvieK4 » 05 May 2003 14:32

No pictures of Martin Zöldi? :cry: Anyone?

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Post by AJK » 05 May 2003 17:24

Birch23,

For photos of a number of Hungarian Generals, try the following:

http://www.bibl.u-szeged.hu/bibl/mil/ww2/who/who.html

Good hunting!

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Post by birch23 » 05 May 2003 19:34

Hi Glen and others

Now that was a wonderful pic of Phelps in Romanian I have never seen that before.He was a very fine general and is much overlooked.Thanks a lot

Stauffenberg..ah I don't think I will be able to keep that ratio.I do have a work to attend to... :) But I used a lot of the Sunday for "hunting".. :) and you just beat me to it btw.I found that pic of Schwab 14 days ago :) I think I actually saw a pic of Schmidt 3-4 weeks ago,it was a group picture from the memorial site of the Iron Guard,which is filled with pics and very fancy..one has to have the nerve to listen to a lot of pompous music though including what I believe was a Romanian version of Horst Wessel.. :lol: Unfortunately or fortunately the whole site is in Romanian so it was impossible for me to tell if it actually was Schmidt....and no I did not book mark the site.but as I recall I got to it by typing in "carol Schmidt" in google but I think the full name of Sima will have the same effect.Strangely enough it seemed to be a membership site but I had no trouble watching the pics and try to get a meaning from the txt..you could try that rather worthless piece of info...

Otherwise I was in luck I did find some pics I hadn't seen before incl.Rendulic in Austrian uniform,but I guess you have seen that?...but it brings up another question because I read your old post about generals crossing to the wehrmacht after Anschluss.

and I was thinking of Julius Yllam of whom I sadly only have a civil pic (one in uniform would be much appriciated... :) but I have never been able to find any info if he made the cross over too which I doubt he did not even as an honorary col.Do you or anyone else have that info (or pic)

and VJK thanks a lot for that address that surely looks promising.

During my little hunt yesterday I did find this pic of Karl Gustav Sauberzweig wearing a fez commanding div.Handschar.You have probably all seen it before but this is what I usually refer to as a rather funny pic.I had only seen it in a book before.

Kind regards and thanks again

Søren Birch-Jensen
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Yllam

Post by Glenn2438 » 05 May 2003 19:59

Oberst Julius Yllam did not transfer into the Wehrmacht. He was retired on the 15th of March 1938 and died in Klagenfurt on the 15th of January 1942.

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 05 May 2003 20:14

If my mind serves me his former name was Julius Mally.

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Post by birch23 » 05 May 2003 22:45

Thanks for the info.But why the name change Stauffenberg?

and while we are on this subject I know Otto Schöbel transferred a pic of him in Austrian uniform would be much valued..as with Alfred von Hubicki in Austrian uniform

and I know that Edmund Glaise-Horstenau did held an active command of some kind in the German army..probably as a garrison commander somwhere,but I'm a little uncertain of that and by him it is the opposite I have plenty of pics of him in Austrian uniform but none in German uniform..wonder if such a pic exists?

and finally who can a person in the Austrian army called Karl Moyses be?.I have not been able to find anything about him nor a picture either in Austrian or German uniform,but he is listed in the Austrian OOB for 1936..or is that 1935....is he a spelling error in which case then who can he be .Or is he a long forgotten leftover from earlier days of glory... :) meaning can he be an honorary colonel or something like that?

thanks in advance again..

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Post by Gareth Collins » 06 May 2003 00:25

General der Infanterie Edmund Glaise von Horstenau
Born: 27/02/1882 in Braunau, Inn, Austria.
Died: 20/07/1946 in Langwasser by Nuremberg.
Austrian Court-Counsel: 21/05/1924.
Austrian State-Counsel: 01/11/1934.
Honorary Doctorate: 1932 at the University Of Munich.
Professor For Military Sciences: 07/1934 at the University Of Vienna.
Member Of The German Reichstag: 01/04/1938-??/05/1945.
Major Awards: Knight’s Cross Of The War Merit Cross With Swords (08/11/1944); German Cross In Silver (08/03/1943).
Promotion Dates: Lieutenant (18/08/1903); Senior Lieutenant (01/05/1909); Captain (01/05/1913); Major (01/11/1917); Title Lieutenant-Colonel (23/09/1921); Title Colonel (29/09/1934); Honorary Major-General (30/06/1938); Colonel (01/02/1941); Major-General (01/03/1941); Lieutenant-General (01/08/1942); General Of Infantry (01/09/1943).
MILITARY CAREER
Pre WWI and WWI: Entered the Austrian Army in the Theresian Military Academy as Lieutenant in the 4th Tirol Kings-Jäger-Regiment (18/08/1903-16/10/1907); Detached to the War School in Vienna (16/10/1907-01/11/1910); General-Staff-Officer in the Staff of the 6th Infantry-Troop-Brigade (01/11/1910-01/05/1913); Advisor in the Austrian War Archives (01/05/1913-04/08/1914); General-Staff-Officer in the General-Staff-Officer of the 11th Infantry-Troop-Division (04/08/1914-30/09/1914); 1st General-Staff-Officer of the 88th Tirol Territorial-Rifle-Brigade (30/09/1914-30/11/1914); General-Staff-Officer in the General-Staff of the 1st Army (30/11/1914-11/12/1914); General-Staff-Officer in the 5th Department of the War Ministry (11/12/1914-08/07/1915); General-Staff-Officer and Advisor for Politics and Press Affairs in the Royal and Imperial Army High Command (08/07/1915-01/11/1917); Austrian Liaison Officer to the German Supreme Army Administration and Military Plenipotentiary with the Peace Negotiations in Brest-Litovsk (01/11/1917-??/10/1918); Military Specialist in the National Counsel of the Republic of Austria (??/10/1918-05/11/1918); Advisor in the War Archives (05/11/1918-~).
Inter-War Years: Advisor in the War Archives (~-06/12/1918); Liaison-Officer of the State-Office for Army Affairs in the War Archives (06/12/1918-01/02/1919); Leader of the Department for Military Acts Of State in the War Archives (01/02/1919-30/09/1920); Retired while retaining Previous Command as a Civilian Employee (30/09/1920-17/02/1923); Temporary-Director of the War Archives (17/03/1923-01/02/1925); General State Archive and Director of the Austrian War Archives (01/02/1925-08/11/1939); Placed to the Disposal of the Federal Minister for State Defence (15/06/1934-11/07/1936); Federal Minister without Portfolio (11/07/1936-03/11/1936); Federal Minister of the Interior (03/11/1936-15/02/1938); Reactivated to the Austrian Federal Army (01/09/1936-15/03/1938); Federal Minister without Portfolio (15/02/1938-11/03/1938); Vice-Chancellor and Federal Minister without Portfolio (11/03/1938-15/03/1938); Placed to the Disposal of the German Army, Minister with Special Duties in the State-Government of Austria (15/03/1938-~).
WWII: Minister with Special Duties in the State-Government of Austria (~-09/11/1939); Liaison-Officer of the Wehrmacht High Command to the Commander-in-Chief East, subsequently General with Special Duties in the General Wehrmacht Office, OKW, Entrusted with the Tasks of the Inspector of War Graves (09/11/1939-14/04/1941); German General in Zagreb, later renamed German Plenipotentiary General in Croatia (14/04/1941-25/09/1944); Führer-Reserve – Entrusted with the Task of Military Historian South East (25/09/1944-05/05/1945); In US Captivity (05/05/1945-~).
Post WWII: In US Captivity (~-20/07/1946); Committed Suicide in Captivity (20/07/1946).
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Post by birch23 » 06 May 2003 05:39

Thanks for the pic Gareth and the bio,that was interresting.I didn't know he committed suicide,but I can see that having been a plenipotentiary in Zagreb would have meant that he would have been turned over to the Yugoslavians and that would have sealed his fate anyway.And as always things like this broadens now I will have to begin looking into his time in Zagreb :)

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Moyses

Post by Glenn2438 » 06 May 2003 06:38

Søren,

Generalmajor Karl Moyses, a former Austrian Pionier officer transferred into the Wehrmacht on the 13th of March 1938 and was appointed as the Inspector of Recruiting District Köslin on the 10th of November 1938. Promoted Charakter Generalleutnant on the 1st of April 1939 and to the substantive rank of Generalleutnant on the 1st of February 1941. He remained at Köslin until retiring on the 31st of December 1943.

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Gen.d.Inf. z.V. Prof. Dr. Edmund von Glaise-Horstenau

Post by Michael Miller » 06 May 2003 12:45

Here is the biography of Glaise von Horstenau which appears at ABR- rather less detailed than Gareth's, but includes a few additional details (such as his SA affiliation).

On a side note, I've read in several sources that this officer was consistently horrified (as were many dignitaries and officers of the Wehrmacht) by the mass murders perpetrated by the Croatian state. I believe I read too that he protested to higher authority, but do not have specific details of this at hand.

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Prof. Dr. h. c.
Edmund Glaise von Horstenau
General der Infanterie z.V. /
SA-Gruppenführer / M.d.R.

Born: 27. 2. 1882 - Braunau am Inn
Suicide: 20. 7. 1946 - Lager Langwasser bei Nürnberg.

Promotions
Gen.der Inf.z.V.: 1. 9. 43
SA-Gruppenfuhrer: 1943;
Generalleutnant z.V.: 1. 8. 42
Generalmajor z.V.: 1. 3. 41
Oberst z.V.: 1. 2. 41
SA-Brigadefuhrer:
Charakter als Generalmajor: 30. 6. 38

Leutnant: 1903

Career:
Leiter Außenstelle Wien des deutschen Auswärtigen Amtes: 1945
Bevollmächtigter deutscher General im Kroatien: 1. 5. 41 - 25. 9. 44
Verbindungs-Offizier des Oberkommandos der Wehrmacht zum Oberbefehlshaber Ost, anschließend General z.b.V. im Allgemeinen Wehrmachtamt / OKW, betraut mit den Aufgaben des Inspekteurs für das Kriegsgräberwesen: 9. 11. 1939
Staatsminister: 1938 Vizekanzler im Anschlußkabinett (under Seyß-Inquart): 1938 Member of the Schuschnigg Cabinet: 1936 - 1938
Mitglied des Staatsrates und des Bundestages: 1934 - 1936
Privatdozent an der Universität Wien für neuere Kriegs- und Heeresgeschichte: 1934 Direktor des Kriegsarcivs Wien: 1925 - 1938
Pressereferent der Armee-Oberkommandos and author of the Heeresberichte (Army Reports): 1915 - 1918
Kriegsarchivs Wien: 1913 - 1914
Assigned to General Staff: 1910
Attended Theresianische Militär-Akademie, then commissioned Leutnant in Austro-Hungarian Army: 1903

Philosophy studies at University of Wien, 1919 - 1921.
Honorary Professor, 1940. Received honorary doctorate
from Univervsity of München, 1942.



Awards & Decorations
Ritterkreuz des Kriegsverdienstkreuzes mit Schwertern: 8. 11. 44
Deutsches Kreuz in Silber: 8. 3. 43
1914 Eisernes Kreuz I. Klasse
1914 Eisernes Kreuz II. Klasse
Kriegsverdienstkreuz I. Klasse mit Schwertern
Kriegsverdienstkreuz II. Klasse mit Schwertern
Order of Merit (Grand Commander Grade) (Hungary)
Ehrenzeichen des Deutschen Roten Kreuzes
Numerous other awards from Austria, Hungary, etc.

Postwar Confinement:
In U.S. captivity, 1945 - 1946.

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Post by AJK » 06 May 2003 14:01

Karl MOYSES (born on 3 October 1882) reached the rank of Generalmajor in the Austrian Army, having commanded the 1st and 3rd Pioneer Battalions and later holding the post of Deputy Commandant of the Theresienstadt Military Academy. He was promoted Oberstleutnant on 27 June 1923, Oberst on 28 June 1934 and Generalmajor on 1 January 1938. As Glenn states, he transferred to the Wehrmacht, being promoted to Generalleutnant, and retired on 31 December 1943.

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Post by birch23 » 06 May 2003 15:40

Again a lot of very very useful info,for which I'm thankful:

Glen;So Karl Moyses did exist.how strange I have only been able to find him in one OOB,perhaps because of the Pioneer education..these people are not always listed.And a little different--I read somewhere that you have a web site..I hope it will not be against the rules if I asked you to post a link..I would love to see that.. :)

Michael Miller:Since my last visit here I have managed to read 3 (in quality) varying articles about the Novi Sad Massacre for which Glaise-Horstenau was accused-One of the articles directly mentions GH's complaining over the atrocities..and claims that GH tried to reach the "top" via Seyss-Inquart..not totally unlikely.The 2.article didn't mention GH at all and the 3.rd.which trusth I have to rate low due to some other things in that article.claimed that GH sanctioned Novi Sad..but and this is perhaps the most interesting..after the incident had taken place.....that made me smile a little :) The SA connection however is very interresting.I suppose he was attached to the SA till the end then.

another thing which actually was interresting,is that he too was a dr.in philosophy.I don't really know why but it crossed in my mind that Oscar Dirlewanger was a dr.in philosophy too...seems to a rather unhealthy study.. :)

VJK:The Pioneer command is of interest.I then suppose gen.Moyses probably was a dr.ing himself.(not unlikely) and I kind of guess that a pic of this until now to me unknown Austrian gen doesn't exist.

and a little personal reflection about Gleise-Horstenau whose political career I seemed to know more about than his military ditto.It has often irritated me when I read references to some of the Austrian Ministers as being NS-The only one who could be qualified as national socialist was Seyss-Inquart.someone like Glaise-Horstenau is probably better characterized as fascist or rigtw wing with fascist sympathies....that was as strict personal view... :D

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