Panther glacis quality

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Miles Krogfus
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Panther glacis quality

Post by Miles Krogfus » 27 May 2015 02:05

Ruhrstahl glacis November 1942 on MNH Panther D 213032 of April 1943. Isigny France test August 19,1944. Hit #1 glacis 3280 W (perforation) at 3280 f/s US 76 HVAP ET 63 mm. #5 PP, #6 2840 f/s W,17 Pdr. Capped AP FT 76. #7 PP, #8 W at 3860 f/s 17 Pdr. Sabot ET 67 mm. O lower front hits.
Bismarckhutte glacis made August 1943, on DB Panther A 152158 Pz.# 244 born December. M82 rounds, Aberdeen (ABL) test Feb.1945.
5 close together glacis strikes, only partial penetration (PP) from 2740-2890 f/s. Rated ET 74.9 mm. 0 lower front hits.
Bismarckhutte glacis made September 1943, DB 152--- Panther A born Jan/Feb 1944. Isigny test August 19,1944.11 glacis hits. ET's of 65 on 4th hit, 61 mm on 5th both W, US 76 HVAP 3780 and 3165 f/s. 6th hit ET 76 mm 17 Pdr. Capped 2835 f/s PP, 8th hit ET 66 mm 17 Pdr. Sabot 3820 f/s W. 3 lower front hull hits. Glacis angle 57.5. 3 hits on lower front.
DHHV glacis November 1943 MAN 210750 Panther A Feb. 1944. ABL June 15,1945. M82 hits, 6 on glacis, 3 mantlet, 1 lower front. 1st on glacis PP 2895 f/s ET 79 mm. 2nd hit 2845 f/s CP(P) complete penetration (protection) ET 77 mm. 3rd strike PP then 4 th CP(N) CP (Navy) ET 73 mm , both 2742 f/s.
DHHV glacis November 1943 MAN 2108-- Panther A March 1944. Isigny August 19,1944. 5 hits glacis, 7 lower front. 4th glacis hit 3695 f/s 17 Pdr. Sabot W so ET 65 mm, but next Sabot shot at same velocity only a PP. 6th shot 2782 f/s 17 Pdr. APCBC W ET 73 mm. Glacis angle 57.34. 1 Sabot strike produced a crack.
DHHV glacis January 1944 MAN Panther G 120404 April 1944. Shoeburyness October 16-20,1944. 9 glacis strikes, 4 lower front. 5th glacis hit W 3449 f/s 17 Pdr. Sabot ET 63 mm. 6th hit 2673 f/s 17 Pdr. Capped PP so ET 70 mm. On hit 5 weld at glacis top came apart, cracking on 4 other hits.
Ruhrstahl glacis August 1944 MNH Panther G 128756 November 1944. ABL June 28,1945. 2 M82 hits on glacis. 1st 2800 f/s PP(A) 2nd 2785 f/s PP(A) so ET 71.5 mm, 2nd 2735 PP(A). ET is the equivalent glacis thickness versus particular projectiles.

NWarr
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Re: Panther glacis quality

Post by NWarr » 27 May 2015 05:32

Interestingly there are photos of two of these Panthers the first is 152158 better known as 244./Pz.Rgt 6
All the photos I have are prior to the range testing shown by Miles
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The second is of 210750 also known as 124./Pz.Rgt 3
This is shown after its range testing
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There are however a few problems with this one that I have not been able to resolve
Primary among these is that 210750 by Tom Jentz from P.60 GPT should date to on or about 13 Feb 44
The date is correct for shipments to I./Pz.Rgt 3 the last of which is 28 Feb by Martin Block
But clearly this is a slot not a Kugelblende on the glacis
I have some with a slot and the TzF 12a gunsight with the single hole and one Panther issued to I./Pz.Rgt 6 that has a slot and no pistol ports
The deletion for the pistol ports appears to be mid Dec but you get a slot to Feb 44 is still one I have not worked out

Cheers Neill

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Re: Panther glacis quality

Post by Michael Kenny » 27 May 2015 12:10

NWarr wrote:Interestingly there are photos of two of these Panthers the first is 152158 better known as 244./Pz.Rgt 6
All the photos I have are prior to the range testing shown by Miles
http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.ph ... =38873&hl=

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Re: Panther glacis quality

Post by NWarr » 27 May 2015 20:20

Thanks for the link Micheal
Much appreciated

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