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captured & converted Bren Gun Carriers

Post by Trommelfeuer » 30 May 2003 22:18

Greetings !

Could you please help me in finding photos of the following Bren gun Carrier / universal carrier in german service:

Gepanzerter MG Träger Bren 731(e) with Maxim MG08 gun
Panzerjäger Bren(e) with 37mm PaK 35/36 L/45 gun
Panzerjäger Bren(e) with three 88mm Raketenpanzerbüchse 43/54
Schneeschaufel auf Bren(e) - snow plow
2cm Flak38 auf Fahrgestell Bren(e)

I only know of three photos so far, two of the Panzerjäger Bren 731(e) equipped with 3 Raketenpanzerbüchse 43 or 54 (Panzerschreck / Ofenrohr) tubes and one with the2cm Flak38 auf Fahrgestell Bren(e)...

Do you have other photos to share ? :)

With friendly greetings, Trommelfeuer
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Post by David Lehmann » 30 May 2003 22:49

Hi,

No many photos for the moment, I will have a look, but you can add this one in your list :

Munitionspanzer auf Fahrgestell Bren-Carrier 731(e)

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Here is the one with the 37mm Pak

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and an other "classical" model (perhaps MG Träger ?)

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Post by daveh » 30 May 2003 23:51

The Schiffer Military history series of 48 page primarily photo books includes one on captured light tanks/ tractors in German use and this has, i believe, a number of views of bren gun carriers in german service.

The Encyclopedia of German Tanks of WW2 by p Chamberlian a H Doyle ISBN 0 85368 202 X includes at least one pic of each of the vehicles you asked about Trommelfeuer
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Post by Maple 01 » 30 May 2003 23:57

Panzermeyer,
I don't think the first photo shows a BREN gun carrier (more correctly a Universal carrier) the tracks and rollers look wrong, as does the bodywork. It would be one hell of a rebuild if it was.

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:-)

Post by Trommelfeuer » 31 May 2003 00:09

Wow!

Thank you very much Panzermeyer, daveh & Maple 01 for the photos and the information! :)

This is really what I was looking for!

Who knows, perhaps there are some more photos around and I don't have to buy the mentioned books... :wink:

With friendly greetings, Trommelfeuer

P.S. The original name of the topic was supposed to be "captured & converted Bren gun carriers / universal carriers in german use" - but this title was too long, so I chose the common "Bren gun carrier" name for the title...
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Post by David Lehmann » 31 May 2003 00:21

Hi,

Is the universal carrier the 732(e) vehicle then ?

David
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Post by Robert Hurst » 31 May 2003 10:22

Hi

The photo that you put on the forum that you labelled Munitionspanzer auf Fahrgestell Bre-Carrier 731 (e) is in fact a Borgward B.III (VK302) Sonderschlepper (Tracked Armoured Ammunition Carrier).

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Post by Robert Hurst » 31 May 2003 10:24

Hi Trommelfeuer

Please find attached photo of the Gep MG Trager Br731(e).

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Post by David Lehmann » 31 May 2003 11:48

Hi,

Thanks for the info and sorry for the mistake about the Borgward vehicle ...
There was also a Munitionsträger auf Bren Carrier although I have no pic.

The german made also extensive usage of the French Renault UE carrier, a bit like with the Bren/Universal Carrier but they captured much more I guess :

- Infanterie UE-Schlepper (f)
- Kleiner Funk- und Beobachtungspanzer auf Infanterie-Schlepper UE (f)
- Fernmeldekabel-Kraftwagen auf Infanterie-Schlepper UE (f)
- 3,7cm Pak 35/36 auf Inf. Schlepper UE (f)
- Slf. für 28/32cm Wurfrahmen auf Infanterie-Schlepper UE (f)
- Luftwaffensicherungsfahrzeug auf Basis Renault UE (f)
- Munitionsschlepper auf Basis Renault UE (f)
- UE 630(f) mit MG34

I have some pics for them but it would be a little off topic.

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Post by Trommelfeuer » 31 May 2003 11:56

Excellent! :)

Thank you very much @ Robert Hurst for the good photo of the Gepanzerter MG Träger Br731(e) and the info on the Borgward B.III (VK302) Sonderschlepper! :)

With friendly greetings, Sven

P.S. Perhaps we / you should start an extra topic on caprured / converted UE Renault carriers @ Panzermeyer, I think this is very interesting!!! (I was always fascinated by the Wurfrahmen 28/32cm version...) :)
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Post by Robert Hurst » 02 Jun 2003 14:02

Hi Trommelfeuer

Please find attached additional photos of converted British Scout and Universal carriers. The first two photos were taken from"Captured Tanks in German Service: Small Tanks and Armored Tractors 1939-1945", by Werner Muller, and the bottom photo was taken from "Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War Two", by peter Chamberlain and Hilary L. Doyle.


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Post by Trommelfeuer » 03 Jun 2003 13:42

Wow! 8O

Again, thank you very much @ Bob for these very interesting photos!
I never heard of the first two versions before, the photos are just brilliant! :D

With friendly greetings, Sven
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Post by David Lehmann » 08 Sep 2003 22:26

Hello,

Here is a carrier used by the Luftwaffe :

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Post by Caldric » 08 Sep 2003 22:54

That is an awesome picture David, looks like the Eastern Front also. What do you suppose the bombs are? 1000lb'er?
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Post by David Lehmann » 08 Sep 2003 23:10

Hi Caldric,

I would say a SC1000 (1000 kg bomb with about 530 kg explosive).
about 2200 lbs and 1100 lbs explosive ?

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/sc1000.html

The picture of the plane and carrier is from here http://www.luftwaffepics.com/

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from http://www.luftarchiv.de/

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