SS-Ostuf. Grosch

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SS-Ostuf. Grosch

Postby j.north » 24 Jun 2003 12:37

Can anyone help me with details of SS-Ostuf. Grosch (Sonderbeauftrager fuer Kriegsgefangene in 1941)? A brief bio and what his duties were would be most welcome!

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Postby SuR » 11 Jul 2003 08:37

My first posting :D

There are at least two Grosch in the SS, Wolfgang Siegfried Grosch and Volkmar Grosch.

At the end of the war both were SS-Sturmbannfuehrer. Their CVs are connected with CCs, slave labour and so on.

I think, the one you are looking for is Wolfgang Grosch.
He was on duty in several CCs since around 1935. There is also an affidavit of Wolfgang Grosch at the IMT: http://www.mazal.org/archive/nmt/05/NMT05-T1028.htm
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thanks

Postby j.north » 11 Jul 2003 08:59

Thanks very much for that. Your first post was very helpful!

best wishes,

J

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Postby Mikedc » 19 Nov 2005 12:50

And if the following document is correct, then there was also a Norbert Grosch.

Maybe he's the person you're looking for.
http://www.vho.org/D/Majdanek/M9.html

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Postby Phil Nix » 20 Nov 2005 11:07

From 1938 DAL Wolfgang Grosch born 15.9.06 in Weimar Party Nr 863731 SS Nr 240155 Usf 1,11.38 with KL BUchenwald 1938
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Postby Mikedc » 20 Nov 2005 17:02

Hello Phil,

Thanks for the additional info on Wolfgang Grosch.

So nothing on a certain Norbert Grosch???


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Postby SuR » 20 Nov 2005 21:26

I don´t think there is a third Grosch in the SS building branches. Two are enough... :wink:

On 9.5.1942 Wolfgang Grosch was already Hauptsturmführer, so that this person must have been Volkmar Grosch.

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Postby Mikedc » 21 Nov 2005 20:01

Hello SuR,

So when I reed your answer correctly you just wanna say that Volkmar and Norbert Grosch are
identical. But could they be that wrong in the article, could they make a typing-error that big???

Possibly they did because it really looks like if there was no Norbert at all, only a Wolfgang and a
Volkmar. Well, at least we tried to solve the mystery.


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Mike

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Postby SuR » 21 Nov 2005 20:31

Mikedc wrote:... when I reed your answer correctly you just wanna say that Volkmar and Norbert Grosch are
identical.
That´s it.

Phil, is there a Norbert Grosch in your 1938 DAL?

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Postby Phil Nix » 22 Nov 2005 12:02

The only Grosch in DAL 1938 are Fritz, Dr Lutz and Wolfgang with two Grosche Karl and Dr Rudolf
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SS-Hstuf. Volkmar Grosch

Postby waffen-IDF » 17 Feb 2011 18:47

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Re: SS-Ostuf. Grosch

Postby Mikedc » 17 Feb 2011 19:53

Hello J.,
Here's some scrambled info on Volkmar Grosch and on Wolfgang Grosch. I say scrambled since I didn't had time yet to put it all together as a descent bio. And maybe some info doesn't belong to one of them but to the other, let's see what others have to say.....

Dipl. Ing. Volkmar Grosch.
Born on 7-3-1909 in Berlin-Grünewald.
SS-Obersturmführer.
Was Leiter der Baugruppe with the HSSPF in the Generalgouvernement Poland.
And till 27-9-1941 also Bauleiter in Buchenwald.
On 27-9-1941 he was appointed as chief from the new department(Dienststelle)‘Sonderbeauftragter für die Errichtung von Kriegsgefangenenlagern bei der Zentralen Bauinspektion der Waffen-SS und Polizei in Lublin. This Dienststelle belonged to the Staff from O. Globocnik.
Member SS(nr. 405.808).
SS-Obersturmführer.
Between 5-5-1942 till ?? 1942 he was head of the Bauinspektion ‘Russland Mitte’ in Mogilew, this because of the temporarily absence from W. S. Grosch.
From 21-6-1942 till 30-1-1944 he was employed within the SS-WVHA.
He was therefor one of the first trusted employees from H. Kammlers Sonderbau-Organisation.
On 1-5-1943 the HSSPF ‘Generalgouvernement’ transfered him to Amtsgruppe C within the SS-WVHA.
On 30-1-1944 he received the KVK2mS.
On 30-1-1944 he was promoted to SS-Hauptsturmführer.
On 14-3-1944(mit wirkung von 1-9-1943)he was transfered to the so called Aussenstelle X.
Around the same time he also was appointed as head from Bauvorhaben ‘Zement’(Aufbau der SS-Führungsstab)at Ebensee in Austria. Purpose of this work was to build underground fortifications to launch the V-1 and the V-2 so that they would be pretected against Allied bommings.
Apparently he was in the same period also head of the SS-Sonderinspektion IV(Bauvorhaben B7 to B10)within the
SS-Bauleitung in Vienna.
Mid April 1945 he most likely travelled with H. Kammler to the so called ‘Südraum’ and on 8-5-1945 some liberated prisoners in Ebensee recognized and killed him.
Died(murdered)on 8-5-1945 at Ebensee/Oberösterreich.


Wolfgang Siegfried Grosch.
Born on 15-9-1906 in Weimar/Thüringen.
Member NSDAP(nr. 863.731).
Member Allgemeine-SS(nr. 240.155).
On 1-11-1938 he was promoted to SS-Untersturmführer.
From 1-2-1938 till November 1941 he was employed within the SS Administration Office under Eirenschmalz within the SS-WVHA.
SS-Obersturmführer.
From November 1941 till ?? he was employed within the Central Russian Office from the SS-WVHA.
From 27-9-1941 till ?? he was head of the Dienststelle ‘Sonderbeauftragter für die Errichtung von Kriegsgefangenenlagern bei der Zentrale Bauinspektion der Waffen-SS un Polizei in Lublin’.
SS-Hauptsturmführer.
In 1942 he was head of the Bauinspektion ‘Russland Mitte’ in Mogilew.
He was also employed within Amtsgruppe C from the SS-WVHA and therefor a trustworthy employee from H. Kammler. From 1-3-1944 till 10-5-1944 he was employed within the Bauinspektion der Waffen-SS und Polizei ‘Böhmen und Mähren’ in Prague.
On 20-4-1944 he was promoted to SS-Sturmbannführer.
From 10-5-1944 till 1-10-1944 he was most likely employed in Riga.
From 1-10-1944 till ?? 1945 he was employed as Bauleiter in Buchenwald.


Greetings, Mike

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Re: SS-Ostuf. Grosch

Postby SuR » 17 Feb 2011 21:36

Great work, Mike.

Some more notes:

- In some documents, these two guys are called 'Grosch' and 'Grosch II'. 'Grosch' was Wolfgang, and 'Grosch II' was Volkmar.

- 'Aussenstelle X' is the code word for the 'Sonderstab Kammler' aka 'Baubüro Kammler' at Taunusstrasse 8, Berlin-Grunewald. As far as I am aware Volkmar Grosch was the first member of Aussenstelle X.

- In the telephone directory of 'Führungsstab S III' (S III was Hitler´s latest, never finished headquarter near Ohrdruf / Thuringia), Luisental branch, from 1944/45 also a "Grosch" is listed.

I don´t know, which one of the two Grosch this was. Unfortunately, both come into consideration.
Does anyone know which Grosch is meant here?

Best regards,

Florian

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Re: SS-Ostuf. Grosch

Postby waffen-IDF » 18 Feb 2011 04:18

Mike.

So Wolfgang S. Grosch served in KL.Buchenwald from 10.44 till the end of the war or close to it?
What position is "Baulieter?"

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Re: SS-Ostuf. Grosch

Postby SuR » 18 Feb 2011 08:44

'Bauleiter' means construction manager - unusual for an StuBaF.


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