Does "Kampffahren" necessarily refer to Siebel ferries, or were there other types of vessel that might be covered by this term, such as MFPs?
Thanks for any assistance,
Sid.
Does "Kampffahren" necessarily refer to Siebel ferries?
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Re: Does "Kampffahren" necessarily refer to Siebel ferries?
Sid,
Insofar as I can tell, Kampffähren included all armed Fährprähmen that were not exclusively intended as transports and were not the "classic" naval vessels types such as Kreuzer, Zerstörer, U-Boote-Jäger, and so on. So it included the Artillerie-Fährprähme, the Flak-Jäger, and the Artillerie-Leichter, whether Marinefährprähme, Marinenachschubleichter, or Siebelfähr-based.
Insofar as I can tell, Kampffähren included all armed Fährprähmen that were not exclusively intended as transports and were not the "classic" naval vessels types such as Kreuzer, Zerstörer, U-Boote-Jäger, and so on. So it included the Artillerie-Fährprähme, the Flak-Jäger, and the Artillerie-Leichter, whether Marinefährprähme, Marinenachschubleichter, or Siebelfähr-based.
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Re: Does "Kampffahren" necessarily refer to Siebel ferries?
Hi Richard,
Thanks. I rather feared that might be the case when I couldn't find "Kampffahren" as a specific class of vessel, just apparently a descriptive generalisation.
I was trying to identify what it specifically meant from a German naval document about the Gulf of Liguria in mid 1944: "Stellt Deutsches Mar.Kdo Italien Gruppe West vorbehaltlich Entwicklung eigener Lage zunächst in Mentone 2 RABoote, in Genua 2 U-Jäger und 2 Kampffähren, in Monaco 2 Kampffähren und in La Spezia 2 deutsche R-Boote zur Verfügung."
Thanks again,
Sid
Thanks. I rather feared that might be the case when I couldn't find "Kampffahren" as a specific class of vessel, just apparently a descriptive generalisation.
I was trying to identify what it specifically meant from a German naval document about the Gulf of Liguria in mid 1944: "Stellt Deutsches Mar.Kdo Italien Gruppe West vorbehaltlich Entwicklung eigener Lage zunächst in Mentone 2 RABoote, in Genua 2 U-Jäger und 2 Kampffähren, in Monaco 2 Kampffähren und in La Spezia 2 deutsche R-Boote zur Verfügung."
Thanks again,
Sid
Re: Does "Kampffahren" necessarily refer to Siebel ferries?
Hi Sid,
in Mid of 1944 "Kampffähren" refers for Liguria to Marinefährprähme with additional armament, f.e.:F 589, F 503, F 439.
They were combined in "Kampfgruppen".
Artilleriefährprähme were never user in the Mediterranean, but only in the West, North Sea, Baltic.
Siebelfähre were of course modified to "Kampffähre" and used by the Luftwaffe / Kriegsmarine in the Mediterranean - but not in the Ligurian at the time you requested.
https://historisches-marinearchiv.de/pr ... eibung.php
Regards
Darius
in Mid of 1944 "Kampffähren" refers for Liguria to Marinefährprähme with additional armament, f.e.:F 589, F 503, F 439.
They were combined in "Kampfgruppen".
Artilleriefährprähme were never user in the Mediterranean, but only in the West, North Sea, Baltic.
Siebelfähre were of course modified to "Kampffähre" and used by the Luftwaffe / Kriegsmarine in the Mediterranean - but not in the Ligurian at the time you requested.
https://historisches-marinearchiv.de/pr ... eibung.php
Regards
Darius
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Re: Does "Kampffahren" necessarily refer to Siebel ferries?
Hi Darius333,
Many thanks.
I have checked your link and it has led on to lots of additional useful material.
Cheers,
Sid
Many thanks.
I have checked your link and it has led on to lots of additional useful material.
Cheers,
Sid