Fair or Unfair in Nuremberg Trial

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Fair or Unfair in Nuremberg Trial

Post by Roderick » 13 Aug 2003 00:19

Hello for all,

I'd like to know what opinions the friends have about final sentences in The Nuremberg Trial.

IN YOUR OPINIONS AND POINTS OF VIEW WERE ALL THE SENTENCES FAIR? ANY INJUSTICE?

For example, sometimes I think that Gen. Alfred Jold didn't deserve a death sentence because he was always a military man out of crimes.

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Post by trower » 13 Aug 2003 01:31

I agree about Yodl and in most part I don't think any Military men should have hanged. On the other hand the polliticians that supported the regime should have with the exception of Hess. I Think Hess was harmless and after time served in the London tower should have recieved 10 years. Now on to Albert Speer.....his intelligence rang through in the court and he was the only Nazi to admit wrong doing and got 20 years. I think he should have hung....he was armaments minister after Fritz Todd's death and used thousands of slave labours in his factories, many of which died of hunger and fatigue, where others were killed by guards for lack of production....Speer new about this and did nothing, for this he was a killer and should have been last seen on the end of a rope.....the 20 year sentence he got was an insult to all the Russian prisoners that died at the hands of his men........just my opinion.

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Nuremberg trials

Post by RACPISA » 13 Aug 2003 01:35

Here's a bunch of threads about what people think of the sentences given at Nuremberg. You're definately not alone in thinking that someone got an unfair sentence:

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopi ... berg+trial

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopi ... berg+trial

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopi ... berg+trial

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopi ... berg+trial

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopi ... berg+trial

The one defendant who I think really got gyped was Rudolf Hess. The guy left the country in 1941 and spent the rest of the war in an English prison! He probably knew little about the scope of the "Final Solution" because he wasn't around to execute it. He deserved maybe 10 years in prison (20 max) because of his early work in the party. But he certainly didn't deserve to spend half his life in prison.

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Post by Mark Costa » 13 Aug 2003 04:00

Hess wrote the Nuremberg Laws of 1935, basically outlawing settng ground rules for what the Jews could and could not do. These laws sent thousands of people to camps. Hess was no Thomas Jefferson !!! And neither was Jodl or Keitel -- as they ordered the deaths of many a downed airmen. They were lucky that all of them were not sentenced to death.

I think sometimes, that our collecting tends to get in the way of the facts --these were not nice people !!!!!

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Post by Penn44 » 13 Aug 2003 04:06

Jodl and Keitel's behavior was an insult to the profession of arms and to their nation. They could have resigned. They received appropriate punishment.

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Post by CHRISCHA » 13 Aug 2003 08:33

Mark Costa wrote:Hess wrote the Nuremberg Laws of 1935, basically outlawing settng ground rules for what the Jews could and could not do. These laws sent thousands of people to camps. Hess was no Thomas Jefferson !!! And neither was Jodl or Keitel -- as they ordered the deaths of many a downed airmen. They were lucky that all of them were not sentenced to death.

I think sometimes, that our collecting tends to get in the way of the facts --these were not nice people !!!!!

Mark Costa
Well said, and a good point about us collectors letting the facts fade.

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Post by fdewaele » 13 Aug 2003 09:46

Dönitz also was punished to hard in my book. I believe that most of his sentence comes form the fact that he was the last head of state of Germany and that the allies needed to have that function on trial. Had he not been appointed Hitler's succesor as head of state he would not have gotten that term.

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Post by Rosoner » 13 Aug 2003 10:37

noone who were punished doesn't desreved it!
and people who said here that some others should be hanged, they should be hanged!

Wir fürchten Tod und Teufel nicht
Mit uns ist Gott im Bunde
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Post by David Thompson » 13 Aug 2003 15:20

Since this thread deals with war crimes, I've moved it to the H&WC section of the forum.

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Post by RACPISA » 13 Aug 2003 15:49

Mark Costa wrote:Hess was no Thomas Jefferson !!!
I never said that, I never said he did anything admirable at all. All I meant was that I didn't think he deserved life in prison for his crimes.

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Post by tonyh » 13 Aug 2003 16:00

Hess was a signatory to the Nürnburg laws, but did not "write them". And when the Jews were being deported to the concentration camps in ernest, Hess was in Britain. He was there before Wansee, gas chambers etc.

So if some people are agreed on Hess being imprisoned for signing a document that limited the rights of Jews in Germany, then perhaps every US president should have been imprisoned for enforcing the racist laws that limited the rights of blacks and Native American's in the States.

An appalling double standard.

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Post by Helly Angel » 13 Aug 2003 16:02

I´m understand who wrote the Nuremberg Laws was not Hess, was Wilhelm Stuckart and a little commission of jurists between them Roland Freisler and others lawyers.

Just a commentary.

Maybe he like Secretary of Hitler signed the decree?

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Post by David Thompson » 13 Aug 2003 16:03

In addition to the thread links thoughtfully posted by RACPISA, here are some of the threads discussing individual IMT defendants in this section of the forum:

Julius Streicher
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27013

The crimes of Rudolf Hess
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27191

Hess: His crimes and sentence
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23861

IMT judgment against Joachim von Ribbentrop
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=25156

IMT testimony of Joachim von Ribbentrop
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=25259

IMT judgment against Albert Speer
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=25075

IMT testimony of Albert Speer
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23861

IMT judgment against Karl Doenitz
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=25074

IMT testimony of Karl Doenitz
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23948

IMT judgment against Erich Raeder
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=25073

IMT judgment on "Fritz" Sauckel
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21528

Final statements of the Nuernberg defendants
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15464

and here are some on criminal programs and organizations:

The SS and war crimes
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15441

Defense of the SS
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15475

Judgment on the SS as a criminal organization
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15476

The Gestapo, the SD and war crimes
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15607

Defense of the SD
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15723

Defense of the Gestapo
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15675

IMT judgment on the criminality of the Gestapo and SD
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15732

The Nazi dictatorship
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15380

Nazi persecution of the Jews
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16116

Nazi slave labor overview
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15224
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Post by Helly Angel » 13 Aug 2003 16:05

Thanks David!!!

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Post by chalutzim » 13 Aug 2003 17:05

tonyh wrote:An appalling double standard.

Tony
Appalling is to compare an US president with Hess. It's a single standard: nonsense.

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