Knight's Cross Holders Identification

[docarchiv]

Hello,

three KC holders?

Gren.Rgt. "FHH" group, pre 28 Dec 1943 (Evers KIA)

docarchiv

[docarchiv]

Hello,

general again!

docarchiv

[John Toner]

A1 H19 Kohlermann & Evers ?

John

[chris44]

A1 H19 Kohlermann & Evers ?

John

you re right John Kohlermann and Evers
and Alfred-Helmut Wolff
(earlier named as Joachim-Helmut Wolff ...first names corrected by a relative of Wolff)

[Bernd R]

Hi all,

there were two "cases" / issues without sufficient comments and without a 100% clarification. So, thanks in advance for contributions to prepare a decision what is correct, resp. what's the right way of listing these men.

#1 - Glasl / Franek

Hello, again, Bernd,

Relating to Point 1 of your two point statement, in which you indicate or in fact believe that the depicted is not Glasl but you are convinced that it is General Franek.

It is a poor picture and it is difficult to really tell, but I can see no mustache (which acccording to other pix I have seen of him) is black or at least dark. There is no indication that the officer has a mustache and looking at the shape of his head, I think may leave the id open to doubt. This is just my view, but I think it may need some clarification and/or other substantiation.

Just a thought.

Take care.

Terry

in reply to me :

1) I take it, that we have an agreement that the page 311 series shows -> Dr. Friedrich Franek.
There was no support for Glasl. Franek is a convincing id to me.

(see the other pic of Franek on page 311, too)

Hello Terry,
you are right ! It is believe and conviction only on my side. I hadn't and don't have an argument or a proof. More a feeling and reading between and behind the lines. Not enough, and thanks for your hint !

So, a qualified objection requires a qualified id in my point of view. Anyone with more for Terry and all ?
Otherwise I tend to put this on the confirmations list.

/ Bernd

[Bernd R]

#2 - Rudi Wolfmüller

On page 171 of this thread, Rudi Wolfmueller is labeled as an imposter. I can, in fact, confirm that he was awarded every award that he is wearing in this photo except for the Ritterkreuz - I wouldn't rule out that he received this award in the last days of the war.

and added : two pics and Soldbuch on page 316


in reaction to the listing in the "fake" section (page 171) :
post war imposter, hence all the awards etc. His real name is Rudi Wolfmüller


hawkeye 1 said :

Awards page from Wolfmueller's Soldbuch.

This "Soldbuch" is just as fake as the Soldier representing it!

Who is right ? Thanks in advance for more on this.

Fundamental data I'm aware : no KC (not even mentioned by Scherzer = newest KC work) ; no DKiG (not listed in Veit Scherzer, Die Träger des Deutschen Kreuzes in Gold der Luftwaffe 1941-45)

and, Feldpost,
we don't see "another shot of Wolfmüller wearing the KC" on page 316 ; we see a photo which is retouched ! These kind of photos don't have the slightest worth for clarifying questions like the one here basically.

/ Bernd

[FANGIO]

Two FJs. Who are they?
Source: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ ... ht=sempert

[hawkeye 1]

#2 - Rudi Wolfmüller

On page 171 of this thread, Rudi Wolfmueller is labeled as an imposter. I can, in fact, confirm that he was awarded every award that he is wearing in this photo except for the Ritterkreuz - I wouldn't rule out that he received this award in the last days of the war.

and added : two pics and Soldbuch on page 316


in reaction to the listing in the "fake" section (page 171) :
post war imposter, hence all the awards etc. His real name is Rudi Wolfmüller


hawkeye 1 said :

Awards page from Wolfmueller's Soldbuch.

This "Soldbuch" is just as fake as the Soldier representing it!

Who is right ? Thanks in advance for more on this.

Fundamental data I'm aware : no KC (not even mentioned by Scherzer = newest KC work) ; no DKiG (not listed in Veit Scherzer, Die Träger des Deutschen Kreuzes in Gold der Luftwaffe 1941-45)

and, Feldpost,
we don't see "another shot of Wolfmüller wearing the KC" on page 316 ; we see a photo which is retouched ! These kind of photos don't have the slightest worth for clarifying questions like the one here basically.

/ Bernd

In regards to my statement above;
The Soldbuch entry for his " Horst Wessel" Kuffband on 20 Nov. 1943, he would have to be in Zerstörer Geschwader 26, what at this time was part of the 6. Jagdgeschwader. So why is this Soldbuch stamped by the 1st Jagdgeschwader?
Also, this Soldbuch looks like it was filled out in one day, same handwriting for all entrys. Even for a replacement soldbuch,why did they forget the entry for the deutsche cross? Just to many errors. He is not wearing his kufftitles in order. When a soldier was transfered to another unit he would have to take the older ones off. Never wear them all together. Just my thoughts.

[John Toner]

Hello Fangio

Your first Fallschirm RKT is Erich Lepkowski.

John

[AlifRafikKhan]

Who is this Ritterkreuzträger (from 6th Panzer Division maybe)?

Source : "The Panzer Divisions" from Osprey

[Doktor Krollspell]

Hello Alif!

Your Panzer RKT from the 6. Panzer-Division could be either Hans-Günther Bethke, RK on 04.09.1940 as an Oberleutnant and Führer 5./Pz.Rgt 11 or... Erich Löwe, RK on 04.09.1940 as a Hauptmann and Chef 3./Pz.Abt 65.

If the unit depicted is part of the 6. Panzer-Division that is!


Just my two cents,

Krollspell

[chris44]

Hello Alif!

Your Panzer RKT from the 6. Panzer-Division could be either Hans-Günther Bethke, RK on 04.09.1940 as an Oberleutnant and Führer 5./Pz.Rgt 11 or... Erich Löwe, RK on 04.09.1940 as a Hauptmann and Chef 3./Pz.Abt 65.

If the unit depicted is part of the 6. Panzer-Division that is!


Just my two cents,

Krollspell

according to nac its Hans-Günther Bethke
better picture enclosed with description Bethke

http://audiovis.nac.gov.pl/obraz/36181/ ... 4b7035573/

chris44

[AlifRafikKhan]

Thank you very much Herr Doktor and Chris!

[bake]

Who is the RKT with GFM von Brauchitsch.


From Ebay

[Bernd R]

left : Michael Fischer - right : ? / AHF id
86c1_1.jpg (13.16 ) 575-mal betrachtet

page 197

right: Oblt. Max Wippermann

chris44 said : but what about Johannes Dienhold???

docarchiv replied :
Hello,

no idea. I have the original photograph in my collection. It belonged to Otto Gemünden I knew personally. Be confinced - Max Wippermann.
docarchiv

done : Max Wippermann
Thanks docarchiv for this id finally ! We had a lot of discussions in the past about this photo. There was a clear "No" to Willi Hägele (the first id) - it remained open if Dienhold is depicted. For all those interested in a last re-do and check : go to the index and look for the listed Fischer and Hägele. Or use the thread-search - top left of the page and type one of the names above to re-follow the several postings and summaries of this case.

One down, Best regards
Bernd