APB for Non-German soldiers

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APB for Non-German soldiers

Post by K.Kocjancic » 07 Sep 2003 22:10

Are there any number how many Bandenkampfabzeihen were decorated to non-German soldiers?

For instance: About 150 (mostly Bronze and some Silver) were awarded to Slovenian Home Guard (Slovensko Domobranstvo).

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Post by Dan E. Moe » 08 Sep 2003 07:33

The Russian officer Bronislav Kaminski received it i Bronse.

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 08 Sep 2003 09:06

What about other Axis soldiers (like Finns, French,...), who served in "collaboration" units?

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Post by Matt Gibbs » 08 Sep 2003 12:06

With regard to numbers known, this kind of research is long and painstaking - there have never to my knowlege been ANY published lists of recipients of the APB in any grade. The data for such late war awards comes from original Soldbuch entries, surviving citations and veterans, plus of course personnel files and such like. I now have about 45 or 50 confirmed names of recipients that I am working on [thanks for the reminder about kaminski by the way - forgot him! Award date would be a help...] but the detaisl are few and far between except for high rankers like the unit commanders and HSSPf's for which I have detaisl of about 10. There is some data to be gleaned from published works but this is a case of reading and picking out like a needle in haystack!
Of course, many of the freiwillingen units would have participated in Anti Partisan actions and as such I myself would love to learn more, Karstjager, Prinz Eugen, Florian Geyer etc etc. I suspect many miscelanious Polizei untis will have had a propetion of memebrs with combat days but again, this presuposes they even bothered to apply. If a unit comander wasn't interested in the paperwork side of things I guess it took ages for this kind of thing to be processed. I have seen a lot of copies of Soldbuchs with data for partisan sweeps etc but if the man was in supply or at the rear areas he would never have qualified for the combat day. This means for some big operations probably 30% of the troosp committed would not have been able to qualify although they are listed as being involved in the operation. Hell, some of the month long operations probably had feldpost units attached, but I doubt they would have been really involved as such.
A confusing field indeed. Look forward to hearing more about the Slovenian units! 8) And other foreigners too!! Anybody...??????
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Post by K.Kocjancic » 08 Sep 2003 12:40

In Osprey's booklet Nr. 63 "German Mountain & Ski Troops 1939-45" is a photo of Heer Geb.Jg. soldier, decorated with APB (probably in Silver) on page 31.

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Post by finnmedals » 08 Sep 2003 18:54

No single Finnish SS-Volunteer served in Panzer Divisions - neither received Finns that badge anywhere else.

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Post by Georg_S » 09 Sep 2003 07:17

Hello!

"Finnmedals wrote: No single Finnish SS-Volunteer served in Panzer Divisions " I am sure that amny Finns served in 5.SS-Pz.Div. "Wiking" even after the "Finnischen Freiwilligen Btl. der Waffen-SS" returned home.

So I have to correct you there.

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Post by Csaba Becze » 09 Sep 2003 20:41

Hungarian units took part in a lt of anti partisan actions and got a lot of German medals also (for example winterkampf im osten 1941-42, etc)
I don't collect numbers of recipients

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Post by K.Kocjancic » 17 Sep 2003 11:44

OK, Matt here is something for you.
Just got scans from my cousin!

Both photos are from "Mati, domovina, Bog".
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PAB's to Finns

Post by finnmedals » 17 Sep 2003 12:53

Only couple of Finnish (5-10?) stayed in SS after the main group was returned to Finland in 1943.

I have seen medals of two of these men, and there are no confirmed PAB's awarded to Finns.

Of course it is possibly, that some may have served later and awarded PAB, but none has ever been confirmed.

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Post by Dan E. Moe » 18 Sep 2003 14:35

What unit are the soldiers you posted from, kocjo?

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Thanks

Post by Matt Gibbs » 18 Sep 2003 19:46

Kocjo , thanks for the pictures, I am glad you were able to share them!
cheers
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Re: Thanks

Post by K.Kocjancic » 18 Sep 2003 19:52

Matt Gibbs wrote:Kocjo , thanks for the pictures, I am glad you were able to share them!
cheers
MG
2 more for your collection, right? :D :wink:

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yeppers

Post by Matt Gibbs » 18 Sep 2003 20:20

Thats true, its slowly growing thanks to the help from interested APB research types and others from the forum! I think I have about 55 names of winners of he APB now ! 8) Still looking though!
cheers
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Post by K.Kocjancic » 18 Sep 2003 20:30

Matt Gibbs wrote:Thats true, its slowly growing thanks to the help from interested APB research types and others from the forum! I think I have about 55 names of winners of he APB now ! 8) Still looking though!
cheers
MG
I just found out, that on 24.7.'44 108 of Domobranci were awarded with APB from Rösener. 8O In one day! 8O 8O

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