I'd like to ask the esteemed members of the forum if there is some serious interest in actually taking a trip to Poland and conducting a GPR survey under the auspices of the "Third Reich Factbook"?
Mission objective: Treblinka II mass graves.
This might sound fantastic or eccentric to some, crazy even, but what is more crazy, spending years engaging in a hopelessly stalemate debate, or at last getting some real answers?
Personally I'm desperate about the latter, I want to know!
GPR or "Ground Penetrating Radar" is a standard tool used by municipal authorities, criminal investigators, private enterprise and modern forensic archeology in establishing what's really lurking below in a given area. It's able to discover organic and inorganic material as well soil disturbances and mass graves down to the depth of several meters, depending on the ground conditions.
Hundreds of thousands of bodies buried, then excavated, cremated and reburied at the limited area of TII will in other words, leave their trace and once the layers of soil have been shifted, the mix up will remain detectable for centuries. Here's the ultimate chance for everyone who wants to prove that the holocaust definitely occured or doing just the opposite to have it their way! And because everybody are so damn sure about themselves, it can only be interpreted as a win-win situation for everybody, yes?
Of course Marcus Wendel and the moderators are invited to protect and take part in the glory of such a venture like everything else happening on their website.
Notes on Methodology:
Archeological and GPR investigations of holocaust sites have been carried out in the past. I need only mention the 1997-98 investigation at Belzec and Australian revisionist Krege's GPR scanning at Treblinka in 1999. Problems with those: only representatives of one side in the debate were engaged, naturally leading to the other side mistrusting every find they claimed! Laughable? Yes, but that's the level of mutual distrust in the debate.
An absolute prerequisite therefore lies in an equal number of representatives from both sides agreeing to make a combined effort to co-operate in a single investigation. Natural representatives from the forum members would for instance at least include Scott Smith, Dan and Michael Mills from the revisionist side; Roberto and Hans for the traditionalists - and hopefully many others.
Secondly, each participant must vow to accept the implications of eventual findings before start of the investigation set to a certain number of parameters. Typically, if soil disturbances indicate mass graves capable of holding bodily remains in the range of tens of thousands of victims or less, (which a revisionist would expect) then Roberto et consortes must admit that mass gassings as claimed was never carried out here and that the standard story is simply wrong regardless of any documentary "evidence". On the other hand, if soil disturbances indicate mass graves big enough to hold a magnitude of hundreds of thousands of victims (note the plural - the standard story puts the death toll to at least 800 000) then the revisionist representatives must yield to the standard story and admit that some sort of mass gassing by monoxide exhaust is the only viable explanation for the events to have taken place.
Thirdly, the exact nature of such parameters must be set up in advance. For example, there must be agreement on how many bodies a certain volume can be expected to contain, not least in relation to the nature of the remains, whole corpses or burnt ashes etc, etc.
Initially however, I think Treblinka lends itself admirably in this regard because if I'm not incorrect, there is relatively detailed information on the chronology of the camp, when the big graves were dug and excavated, how many victims had entered the camps at that time, what amount could have been expected to have been cremated on the great rails etc. If nothing else, the graves that should have been excavated by the Germans in 1943 must confirm to a certain size of displaced soil.
Technical Considerations
The correct interpretation of GPR findings are not automatically expected to be easily accomplished by an amatuer. The entire range of findings including control samples must probably be subjected to a third party of specialists. It would perhaps be advicable that this third party knows nothing about the identity of the actual site being surveyed in order to assure neutrality and absolute objectivity.
It would of course be helpful if the investigating team could include participants with some kind of archeological training. Several people here probably entertain ties to universities or other academical institutions, so maybe one or two strings could be pulled in support of the project (provided that a genuine interest in the matter exist of course).
Doing This:
The GPR used by Krege cost about 80 000 $, so buying one of those nifty little apparati is simply not an option, I guess. However, at the place below for example you can hire a GPR for about 2000 $ a week; for a group of say 20 people it should't prove an insurmountable expenditure. Remember that the TII extermination site is not very large and maybe a week is all that is needed to cover it.
http://www.alpha-geo.com
Also this firm performs entire investigations and analysis for a certain fee, depending on the circumstances. Check it out! Perhaps they'll agree solely to analyse samples as well:
http://www.geo-graf.com/
Regular flights to Warsaw should be less of a problem and eastwards one should be able to go by train or bus to the town of Malkinia where base accomodation could be established. From there it's only very few (I think less than 3) kilometres south to the Treblinka II extermination site along the track of the branch line/siding ending at Treblinka III labour camp.
After a good meal and friendly dinner in Malkinia, where chivalric toasts and mutual congratulations to the success of the other are exchanged, we could trek down the road to begin the first day of investigations the following morning.
Well ladies and gentlemen, what do you say? I know this might sound like putting on real big gears and people have lives and work to do, but at least in principle, doesn't it sound like a good idea?
All comments, reactions and alternative suggestions to what I've written will be gratefully recieved and duly noted.
Sincerely,
Snafu
