Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979

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Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979

Post by Patrick Edwin Cooley » 27 Sep 2003 20:45

:D

Hello!

Would anyone happen to know if there's any material on The Sino-
-Vietnamese War of 1979 on The Internet?

Thanks!

:D

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Post by Musashi » 27 Sep 2003 22:01

I planned to start such a topic last month. I have a booklet about it. However its in Polish and I would have translate a few chapters to English. Unfortunately I have not enough time, but I'll try.

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Post by David C. Clarke » 27 Sep 2003 22:19

Here's a good paper on the political aspects of the War:

http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/vietnamcente ... leviet.htm

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Post by Gwynn Compton » 28 Sep 2003 13:46

http://orbat.com/site/history/historica ... r1979.html
Has an order of battle for the Vietmanese

And

Sino-Vietnam War--Feb. 17-Mar. 16, 1979-- Similar to the difficulties between Cambodia and Vietnam, the Hanoi regime enjoyed good relations with China during the war against the United States and South Vietnam, but once that conflict ended, ideological and historical differences interfered with Sino-Vietnamese relations. Using the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia as a pretext, China launched a massive attack along their common border. Vietnam's border troops put up a very good defense, causing major casualties to the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA). Within a month of the invasion, China basically declared that it had taught Hanoi a lesson and withdrew. Results of this war include: moving Hanoi closer to the Soviet Union, which was a rival of China; a modernization of the PLA as China realized they did not do very well against a smaller country; and the beginning of a long-lasting but low-level border conflict with between Vietnam and China. (See below).

Sino-Vietnam Border Conflict--1980-1987?-- After the Chinese invasion of Vietnam in 1979, continued warfare and infiltration along the border kept these two neighbors in a state of low-level warfare. The two Communist neighbors now maintain cordial relations, but further research is needed to ascertain when the cross-border raids and artillery exchanges ended.
From http://www.historyguy.com/wars_of_vietnam.htm

Hope thats of some help.

Gwynn

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Post by ralphwu » 01 Dec 2003 09:45

It's so difficult found detail information in internet unless you can konw Chinese.I just colloet some information for your reference
China data:wipe out enemy 57k-including capture 2173,destroy Tank&AFV 50,truck 500,artillery 340,capture refle 16062,truck 236,gun916;PLA KIA 6954,WIA 14800, missing 560,lost tank&AFV100
Vitanim data: PLA lost 37k, destroy tank,AFVand truck 300

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Post by Windward » 01 Dec 2003 13:59

In fact the detailed information and casualty data about the 1979 Sino-Vietnamese War are still highly classified in China today. Any one who try to get them would be in great trouble.

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Post by Musashi » 01 Dec 2003 14:37

A short translation from my booklet:

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CHINESE SOURCES                           VIETNAMESE SOURCES
Vietnamese losses:         Chinese l.    Vietnamese losses:  Chinese losses:
KIAs:
27000-30000                  26000       ???                 26000
WIAs:
32000                        37000       ???                 36500
POWs:
1638                         260         2600*               650
Tanks, APCs:
~185                         420         ???                 ~280
Field guns:
~200                         66          ???                 ~115
AT guns:
30 (AT guided missiles)      ???         ???                 ???
SAMs:
6                            ???         ???                 ???
Aircrafts:
???                          ???         ???                 ???
_____________________________________________________________
* - 1000 Vietnamese POWs were released by Chinese during the war.
~ = approx.
??? = no data
Regards,
Chris
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Post by mars » 01 Dec 2003 16:14

there were about 15,000 chinese military personal burried In the military cemetary in Yun Nan and Guangxi province, they were either killed in action or died by non-combat causes between 1979-1989.in so-called chinese-Vietname border war, if added those chinese soldiers killed inside Vietname and whose bodies were not brought back, I would estimates there were around 18,000-20,000 died by all causes in the war with vietnam between 1979-1989

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Post by Musashi » 01 Dec 2003 17:32

As you see each side suffered 26000-30000 KIAs and one thing is uncommon - in accordance with my booklet none of the sides of the conflict does not deny her casualties published by her opponent. Its a very seldom thing during whe wars generally.
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If I have the time I will write something more about this topic. I have Chinese and Vietnamese Orders of Battle :D

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Re: Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979

Post by Deterance » 03 Dec 2003 06:37

Patrick Edwin Cooley wrote::D

Hello!

Would anyone happen to know if there's any material on The Sino-
-Vietnamese War of 1979 on The Internet?
Thanks!

:D
Patrick and those interested,

http://www.china-defense.comhas somel detailed information on the subject complete with battle reports from the point of view of a Chinese artillery officer.

Go to the History section under Battle of LaoShan Mountain Second Sino-Vier. war. I think that other information is in the form of threads.


John

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Post by John H. » 03 Dec 2003 07:31

china fought vietnam? boy i need to refresh my modern history

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Re: Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979

Post by ralphwu » 03 Dec 2003 12:49

Dear Deterance:

The website you recommend also just for western people, some information still not correct and detail;as me had been said, if you can know Chinese, you will find more Chinese website to get more report-I had been collect about 20 battle report
Deterance wrote:
Patrick Edwin Cooley wrote::D

Hello!

Would anyone happen to know if there's any material on The Sino-
-Vietnamese War of 1979 on The Internet?
Thanks!

:D
Patrick and those interested,

http://www.china-defense.comhas somel detailed information on the subject complete with battle reports from the point of view of a Chinese artillery officer.

Go to the History section under Battle of LaoShan Mountain Second Sino-Vier. war. I think that other information is in the form of threads.


John

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Post by Musashi » 04 Dec 2003 23:11

Chinese invasion forces OoB - February 17th 1979
SOUTHERN FRONT
Commander - Xu Shiyu
Vice Commander - Yang Dezji
Chief of Staff - Zang Tingfa
1. YUNNAN GROUP
XI Corps (11th, 31st, 32nd Infantry Division)
XIV Corps (40th, 41st, 42nd, unknown number, unknown number Infantry Division)
2. GUANGXI GROUP
XLII Corps (124th, 125th, 126th, unknown number, unknown number Infantry Division)
XLI Corps (121th, 122nd, 123rd Infantry Division, unknown number Recc. Division)
LV Corps (163rd, 164th, 165th Infantry Division)
Two ID as reserve
Total Chinese troops on Vietnamese front:
5 corpses, including:
15-16 Infantry Divisions
5-6 Territorial Defence Divisions
approx. 200 000 soldiers
500 tanks
700-750 aircrafts
During the war the Chinese troops grew to:
8 corpses, 29-31 Infantry Divisions, 1 Territorial Defence Division


Vietnamese forces in the northern military zones - February 17th 1979:
I Military Zone (Lang Son province):
346th Infantry Division
II Military Zone (Lao Cai province):
345th Infantry Division
III Military Zone (Hanoi):
308th, 320th B (its not a mistake :) ) Infantry Division
Moreover in the three military zones stationed:
1 school division
9 militia divisions
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Chris
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Re: Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979

Post by Cino » 02 Jun 2005 20:26

Patrick Edwin Cooley wrote::D

Hello!

Would anyone happen to know if there's any material on The Sino-
-Vietnamese War of 1979 on The Internet?

Thanks!

:D
Hi, I can provide you some material, my father was a PLA soldier and he attended the war in 1979/1981/1984. Just email me cinochina@gmail.com.

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