Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by history1 » 29 Oct 2009 16:16

Hy BR,

thank´s a lot for your reply!
Pitty that I´m not so familiar with the abbreviations here in the forum.
I should/must check the forum maybe there is a list with the most common ones.

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Roman

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Post by Bernd R » 29 Oct 2009 16:51

Roman,

for the Abbreviations section of the Axis History Factbook see here : http://axishistory.com/index.php?id=3790

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Post by T.K. » 01 Nov 2009 19:17

Who did change my post sweeping "Landschutz" with "Landesschützen"??!!!
This is not correct, Landschutz are a different thing!!!
Please change it again!

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Post by Bernd R » 01 Nov 2009 20:10

T.K.,

I have replaced "Landesschützen" with "Landesschutz" in your respective posting.

In answering your question, my comment is : I don't know what happened ! :? :roll: Any edit I do is inclusive a Mod's note basically.

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Post by T.K. » 12 Nov 2009 12:31

Bernd R wrote:T.K.,

I have replaced "Landesschützen" with "Landesschutz" in your respective posting.

In answering your question, my comment is : I don't know what happened ! :? :roll: Any edit I do is inclusive a Mod's note basically.

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Thanks Bernd,

But actually the term is "Landschutz" as I write.

BR

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Post by Bernd R » 12 Nov 2009 19:38

T.K., pardon !.. :oops: , it is corrected finally now.
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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Hecht » 20 Nov 2009 22:30

Kanonier Alexander, Arthur, 27.07.06, Hamburg, 5.12.44 BKA I.Stufe., Luftwaffen Jäger Bat. z.b.V. 8?, Soldbuch.

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Post by Bernd R » 21 Nov 2009 15:54

Added, thanks !
It's Lw-Jäg.Btl. z.b.V. 8 !? Yes for the existence of "8". Or is there a second number ?

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Post by Hecht » 21 Nov 2009 17:13

Bernd R wrote:Added, thanks !
It's Lw-Jäg.Btl. z.b.V. 8 !? Yes for the existence of "8". Or is there a second number ?

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Looks like an 8 to me, I think it was on duty in North Italy.

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Post by Matt Gibbs » 24 Nov 2009 22:41

I may be forgetting something but if Brauer, Ludl, Prasch and Kuhbandner all have the date 15th February 1945, why on earth did the Volkischer Beobachter newspaper in Berlin printed on 22nd February 1945 report to the German people the award of the badges was made personally by Himmler to them on the 21st February 1945? Have I missed something?
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Bergmolch wrote:Prasch had BKAg along with Kuehbandner on 15-02-45 as 2.Kp\KWB commander even if he previous was the leader of the SD-Aussenkommando Pola and was involved in few antipartisan actions attached to the KJ.
I would even say SS-Oscha Winter Oswald is just a duplicate of SS-Oscha Walter Oswald since I couldn't find Winter on the original source and as far as we know there were just 10 BKAg awarded to KWB\KJ members.

So:
SS-Strm. Armstark Richard Gold 09/03/1945
SS-Strm. Brauer Rudi Gold 15/02/1945
SS-Uscha Fabel Friedrich Gold 09/03/1945
SS-Strm. Götzinger Michael Gold 09/03/1945
SS-Ostuf. Kühbandner Erich Gold 15/02/1945
SS-Hscha Ludl Alfred Gold 15/02/1945
SS-Strm. Mootz Johann Gold 09/03/1945
SS-Ostuf. Prasch Helmuth Gold 15/02/1945
SS-Uscha Sinemus Kurt Gold 09/03/1945
SS-Oscha Walter Oswald Gold 09/03/1945

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Post by Hecht » 25 Nov 2009 11:26

Matt Gibbs wrote:I may be forgetting something but if Brauer, Ludl, Prasch and Kuhbandner all have the date 15th February 1945, why on earth did the Volkischer Beobachter newspaper in Berlin printed on 22nd February 1945 report to the German people the award of the badges was made personally by Himmler to them on the 21st February 1945? Have I missed something?
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Bergmolch wrote:Prasch had BKAg along with Kuehbandner on 15-02-45 as 2.Kp\KWB commander even if he previous was the leader of the SD-Aussenkommando Pola and was involved in few antipartisan actions attached to the KJ.
I would even say SS-Oscha Winter Oswald is just a duplicate of SS-Oscha Walter Oswald since I couldn't find Winter on the original source and as far as we know there were just 10 BKAg awarded to KWB\KJ members.

So:
SS-Strm. Armstark Richard Gold 09/03/1945
SS-Strm. Brauer Rudi Gold 15/02/1945
SS-Uscha Fabel Friedrich Gold 09/03/1945
SS-Strm. Götzinger Michael Gold 09/03/1945
SS-Ostuf. Kühbandner Erich Gold 15/02/1945
SS-Hscha Ludl Alfred Gold 15/02/1945
SS-Strm. Mootz Johann Gold 09/03/1945
SS-Ostuf. Prasch Helmuth Gold 15/02/1945
SS-Uscha Sinemus Kurt Gold 09/03/1945
SS-Oscha Walter Oswald Gold 09/03/1945
Hello Matt,

I would think the RF-SS made the BKA certificates for these guys few days before the awarding, let say the 15, since the guys went to Berlin from Italy, so it would take few days: the real awarding of badges was then only few days later, on 21, and 22 the newspaper printed the new in relation to the proper awarding not to the date on the certificate. infact date on the certificate would actually mean nothing, the importan thing for the BKA was the Bandenkampftage list :wink:

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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Hecht » 03 Dec 2009 20:32

Unterpieringer Ludwig, 06.10.1926, Fallen at Futa-Pass Bologna 21.02.1945, Gefreiter in einem Geb.Jäg.Rgt., BKAb, Death Card.

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Post by Hecht » 05 Dec 2009 17:44

Karl Guhling, Polizei unit, BKAb, (Dienstpass. I can't see anything more.... http://jungco.homestead.com/files/Polic ... 20x371.jpg )

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Post by Hecht » 05 Dec 2009 22:35

Original paper? who knows?
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Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Hecht » 08 Mar 2010 12:15

From "Karstjaeger!" of Nava\Corbatti, Editions Heimdal, 2010.
New infos about old names and 10 new names.
In the book was stated that KWB\Karstjager was very likely awarded with almost 100\150 BKA all over the war.

SS-Strm. Richard Armstark Gold 09/03/1945 Guderian BA Berlin - Italien R70-6
SS-Stubaf. Josef Berschneider Silber 01/09/1944 Globocnik
SS-Strm. Johannes Borowetz Bronze 30/01/1945 Globocnik Besitzzeugnis
SS-Staf. Dr. Ing. Hans Brand Bronze BA Berlin - Italien R70-6
SS-Strm. Rudi Brauer Gold 15/02/1945 Himmler BA Berlin - Italien R70-6 (Former Bronze)
SS-Uscha Friedrich Fabel Gold 09/03/1945 Guderian BA Berlin - Italien R70-6
SS-Strm. Jakob Glöckner Bronze 30/01/1945 Globocnik Besitzzeugnis Not confirmed
SS-Strm. Michael Götzinger Gold 09/03/1945 Guderian BA Berlin - Italien R70-6
SS-Uscha Ludwig Höpfl Bronze 20/02/1945 (?) Wehrpass Not Confirmed
SS-Uscha Karl Kägeler Bronze 10/11/1944 (?) BA Berlin - Italien R70-22
SS-Ostuf. Erich Kühbandner Gold 15/02/1945 Himmler Besitzzeugnis (Former Silber 01/09/1944 Globocnik)
SS-Oscha Ernst Kühne Silber ? Globocnik Besitzzeugnis (Former Silber 30?/01?/1945? Globocnik)
SS-Hscha Alfred Ludl Gold 15/02/1945 Himmler BA Berlin - Italien R70-6 (Former Silber)
SS-Ostuf. Oswin Merwald Silber ?
SS-Uscha Konrad Michael Silber 30/01/1945 Globocnik (?) Soldbuch
SS-Strm. Johann Mootz Gold 09/03/1945 Guderian BA Berlin - Italien R70-6
SS-Rttf. ? Pierron Bronze 30/01/1945 Globocnik (?) Soldbuch
SS-Mann Hugo Pittner Silber 30/01/1944 Globocnik (Veteran's witnesses)
SS-Ostuf. Helmuth Prasch Gold 15/02/1945 Himmler BA Berlin - Italien R70-6 (Former Silber 01/09/1944 Globocnik)
SS-Uscha Willi Preissel Bronze 10/11/1944 (?) BA Berlin - Italien R70-22 (Proposed for but not confirmed)
SS-Strm. Burkhard Rathmann Silber 30/01/1945 Globocnik Besitzzeugnis and Soldbuch (Bronze not awarded)
SS-Uscha Ewald Remmert Bronze BA Berlin - Italien R70-6 (Proposed for Gold)
SS-Strm. Erwin Röslen Silber 30/01/1945 Globocnik Besitzzeugnis
SS-Strm. Heinrich Schneider Bronze 30/01/1945 Globocnik Besitzzeugnis
SS-Uscha Kurt Sinemus Gold 09/03/1945 Guderian BA Berlin - Italien R70-6
SS-Uscha Paul Erwin Ufer Bronze 30/01/1945 Globocnik Soldbuch
SS-Oscha Oswald Walter Gold 09/03/1945 Guderian BA Berlin - Italien R70-6
SS-Uscha Josef Weber very likely Bronze\Silber BA Berlin - Italien R70-6 (Proposed for Gold)
SS-Ustuf. Karl Weiland Silber 01/09/1944 Globocnik BA Berlin - Italien R70-22
SS-Uscha Bernhard Wessels very likely Bronze\Silber BA Berlin - Italien R70-6 (Proposed for Gold)
SS-Ufhrant. Nikolaus Ziegleder Silber 30/01/1945 Globocnik Soldbuch
SS-Uscha Josef Zimmermann Bronze 01/09/1944 Globocnik BA Berlin - Italien R70-22
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