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Post by Tolga Alkan » 29 May 2002 08:40

Can anyone give me infos on number of awarded this medal?Some says,not much less than +1000.

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Post by Macmedal » 29 May 2002 11:00

I don't think anyone really knows the numbers involved. There were probably only 4 Gold actually awarded other than on paper. Bronze and Silver ?????


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Post by Matt Gibbs » 29 May 2002 11:42

If the number of requests for the paperwork to apply for the awards is anything to go by there may have been quite a number of the bronze awards and silver awards awarded on paper -this is something I am researching but is slow progress! There are personnel files available to look at on mircofilm but this takes hundreds of hours work!
It's not likely that there was another formal presentation of gold awards after the first on in february 1945 BUT there may have been. I am interested in any info others may have on this question! Himmler's field HQ existed right up to the last days so who knows..? IN a number of publications it is suggested that applications would have been in the mid hundreds for the bronz and silver awards...
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Post by Tolga Alkan » 30 May 2002 09:10

Thanks for your opions,

Nick Mackay,you mentioned about there were 4 gold winner.Who are them?If you can give me their names,i will be glad to.

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Post by Ludwig » 30 May 2002 10:40

The APB was propably more common than we think, but after the war the holders kept quite quiet about having been awarded them, because it was (for some strange reason) a little bit dirty to have been involved in AP actions.
In Manfred Dörrs book about the holders of the CCC in Gold, you can find names of several soldiers who got the APB in gold at the same time.
The 4 awards mentioned here are propably the 4 de luxe versions awraded by Himmler at one occasion.

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Post by Macmedal » 30 May 2002 12:21

To date only four known Gold Badges awarded. They were awarded on 15th Feb 1945 by Himmler. They were the special Junkers Gold plated tombak awards (according to Foremans Guide).

The first was awarded to SS Oberstumführer Erich Kühbander of the 24th SS Division. (That is discounting the Gold award Himmler made to himself).

The other three I do not have the names of to hand. They are listed in the “Völkischer Beobachter” of 21 feb 1945 if anyone has reference to this copy to hand ?

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Post by Matt Gibbs » 30 May 2002 12:26

I am going to go to the British Library and get a copy of the Volkisher Beobachter that covers this presentation so in due course I will try and scan the article and post it here for the forum members...

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Post by Tolga Alkan » 30 May 2002 13:03

Thanks for who posted message.
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Post by Ori Main » 08 May 2004 08:18

I think about 47 APBiG were awarded,510 in silver and 1620 in bronze.Not sure try struemer-phaleristic.de.

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