Toldi tank production

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Post by Orok » 31 Oct 2003 17:37

Got it this time! :lol: Thanks David. The price is OUTRAGEOUS! :x

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Post by David C. Clarke » 01 Nov 2003 02:11

The price is OUTRAGEOUS!


True Orok, but what's a diehard armor fan going to do? It'll probably never be kitted in plastic. But the price made me really research the vehicle.

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Post by Orok » 03 Nov 2003 16:08

Hi David,

Since your are now somewhat of a Zrinyi expert in this forum, can you tell us what do you think of it as compared with various German assault guns/tank destroyers? I know the Zrinyis came too later in the war and only a negligeable small number was actually produced, and thus there is little in their fighting record.

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Post by luno » 06 Nov 2003 13:27

Swedish Landsverk sold one L60 (nr 55160) for 139.800 Swedish kr and after that we sold the licens for making 200–300st L60 under the name Toldi M38 to Hungaria
So the M38 toldi is an Swedish Landsverk L60 tank made in Hungaria

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Post by Orok » 06 Nov 2003 15:48

luno wrote:Swedish Landsverk sold one L60 (nr 55160) for 139.800 Swedish kr and after that we sold the licens for making 200–300st L60 under the name Toldi M38 to Hungaria
So the M38 toldi is an Swedish Landsverk L60 tank made in Hungaria


Yes that is true. Hungarians got licenses to manufacture Swedish (38M Toldi I könnyû harckocsi & Nimród páncélvadász és légvédelmi gépágyú) and Czech (40M Turán I közepes harckocsi) designed AFVs. The Csaba was a Hungarian design but first made for the British Army.

Although the Hungarians fought for German interests, the Germans were sooooo cheap that they never granted any AFV licese to the Hungarians! :cry:

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Post by Milan Szekelyhidi » 10 Nov 2003 13:57

luno wrote:Swedish Landsverk sold one L60 (nr 55160) for 139.800 Swedish kr and after that we sold the licens for making 200–300st L60 under the name Toldi M38 to Hungaria
So the M38 toldi is an Swedish Landsverk L60 tank made in Hungaria



You can find the Toldi tank-destroyer (or antitank) and some informations for Nimrod what I wrote earlier in here:
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopi ... highlight=
http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopi ... c&start=15

Hungary made another shipper 'Lehel' from Nimrod.
I couldn't find where I wrote for it. I will send it again, if you interested it.
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Post by Orok » 10 Nov 2003 14:32

Yes Milan,

We are all interested, please post them if you can.

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43M Lehel

Post by Milan Szekelyhidi » 11 Nov 2003 13:34

The 43M Lehel armoured landrover wounded soldier and troop transporter car, made from Nimród on 1943, but Nimród was important and the manufacture was delay.

43M Lehel made 2 type:
Lehel S (Sebesültszállító) wounded soldier transporter
Lehel Á (Árkász) pioneer

Weight: 10200 kg

Men:
Lehel Á: 1+8 person
Lehel S: 1+4+4 person

Long: 5320 mm
Wide: 2300 mm
High: 1900 mm
Abdomen high: 350 mm
Track: 2066 mm
Caterpillar wide: 286 mm

Engine:
Sample: Büssing NAG Type L8V/36TR
Series plan: Ganz VII., VGT 107 4pace, 8cylinder, benzin

Cylinder capacity: 7913 cm3
Power: 155 horsepower
Specific power: 15,2 horsepower/t
Max. speed/road: 46,5 km/h
Uphill ability: 40 degrees
Up stairs ability: 0,60 m
Ford ability: 0,80 m
Trench bridging ability: 2,20 m
Range/road: 225 km
Fuel: 250 Liter
Armour: 6-20 mm

Gun:
Lehel Á: 1 piece machine-gun with 1500 piece bullet
Lehel S: -

Radio: R-5/a

Reference: Bonhardt-Sarhidai-Winkler: The Armaments of Royal Hungarian Army
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43M Lehel S

Post by Milan Szekelyhidi » 11 Nov 2003 13:37

Lehel S (Sebesültszállító) wounded soldier transporter.
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Post by Orok » 11 Nov 2003 14:45

Thanks Milan for the information and pictures of this interesting field ambulance/troop carrier. Do you know how many were actually manufactured and how many were actually used by frontline troops?

And if you encounter anymore information on and pictures of this ambulance/troop carrier please share them with us here. :lol:

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Post by Milan Szekelyhidi » 14 Nov 2003 09:19

Because there was need Nimród on the front, didn't start the serial production. Only the prototype was ready.
On the front for Lehel S, used the Ambulance Toldi (reorganize the archaic Toldis).
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Post by Orok » 14 Nov 2003 15:06

Thanks Milan for the information and the interesting picture!

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