Polish and ukranian fighting under and after ww2

Kal_El · Post by **Kal_El** » 24 Oct 2003 15:25

Hey all

I was reading an artikle in a danish newspaper about the border between Poland and the Ukraine and how the guarding off the border is being strengthen.
In the article a ukranian news paper editor briefly mention that polish and Ukranians where "perfoming massacres on each others." under and after the second world war.
(linkt to the article http://www.weekendavisen.dk/samfund/art ... 276:dpol=1

Is there any of the good people in this forum, that i have heard off that before?

Regards and have a good weekend.

Morten

Deterance · Post by **Deterance** » 26 Oct 2003 04:46

I only have general information based on what I recall reading from many internet sources. Ukranians living in the area were described as a sheep herding, Greek Catholic people belonging to a Ruthenian sub group.

A. Polish / Ukrainian-Ruthenian guerilla / bandit forces committed numerous atrocities against each other in South East Poland during the war.

B. Following war armed bands of Right wing Poles and Ukrainians/Ruthenians continued to operate in the area. These groups attacked each other as well as civilians, Communist soldiers and administrative officials. (mostly small scale but persistant attacks)

C. After re alignment of borders, Poland delpoys infantry division to frontier due to Soviet complaints that right wing Ukrainian / Ruthenian resistance groups operating in area were seeking refuge among Ruthenians on the Polish side.

D. At some point, Poland and Ukraine decide to "voluntarily" repatriate their nationals. 70,000 (?) Ukrainian/Ruthenians were transfered to Ukraine, thousands of Poles leave Ukraine.

E. Polish officials view remaining Ukrainians in the area as a possible security threat. ( Anti Polish as well as supportive of Ukrainians/ Ruthenians fighting Soviets) Poland transfers remaining villagers into interior of Poland. Land is given to Gorales (sp), another Polish mountain people.

F. Area today is a National Park and is mostly uninhabited. I believe that Polish airborne units train in the area for Arctic / mountain warfare.

Kal_El · Post by **Kal_El** » 26 Oct 2003 12:10

Thank you Deterance for that information.

The situation in eastern europe just after the second world war isnt one i rembere ever reading about or heard about.

Wich is a shame.

Regards

Kal El

Benoit Douville · Post by **Benoit Douville** » 27 Oct 2003 02:03

The rivality between the Poles and the Ukrainians was really high. The fact is that the Ukrainian Nationalist perpetred a Genocide against the Polish population of Volhynia.

Regards

Musashi · Post by **Musashi** » 27 Oct 2003 23:34

Deterance,
all your informations are correct.
Southern-East Poland is a very wild (but beautiful) terrain with a lots of refugees, criminals and scums (there are exceptions as everywhere). You can meet wolves, lynxes, bears, elks, deers, wild pigs, bisons and dangerous people there. For example the hunters don't hunt singly there. They hunt with at least 3 hunters, because they afraid of be killed by criminals and poachers. There are a lot of the unemployed in Poland (more than 20%). However nobody wants to go and work there (few people only).
Regards,
Chris

Deterance · Post by **Deterance** » 28 Oct 2003 02:20

Chris,

Your description of South east Poland reminds me several parts of the United States. The most violent rural county in America is Robeson County, (sp) North Carolina in the Appalachian Mountains.

A rural county near where I used to live in East Texas also had a reputation for violence.

These places have alot in common with S.E. Poland. I guess high unemployment, weapons, illegal drugs and other criminal activity can be a dangerous mix.

John

Ostuf Charlemagne · Post by **Ostuf Charlemagne** » 30 Oct 2003 02:51

Oh, Nice ! Now some of you are depicting the ukranian freedom fighters against soviet dictature like poachers and gangbangers !!!

What about the slaughters comitted by polish communist soldiers against defenseless populations ?

Imagine if somebody was writing in this forum that all jewish partisans in the Baltic states were poachers and gangbangers??? You will be all upset and yelling. Some of you really feel no shame,guys !

David Thompson · Post by **David Thompson** » 30 Oct 2003 03:15

For readers interested in the bloody history of this area during WWII, the following threads may be informative:

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26483

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=18182

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17547

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14831

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14761

Musashi · Post by **Musashi** » 30 Oct 2003 16:45

Ostuf Charlemagne wrote:Oh, Nice ! Now some of you are depicting the ukranian freedom fighters against soviet dictature like poachers and gangbangers !!!

What about the slaughters comitted by polish communist soldiers against defenseless populations ?

Imagine if somebody was writing in this forum that all jewish partisans in the Baltic states were poachers and gangbangers??? You will be all upset and yelling. Some of you really feel no shame,guys !

You misunderstood me. There are not Ukrainians in Southern-Eastern Poland (only a very little number of them). I was taking about the Poles living there.

Ostuf Charlemagne · Post by **Ostuf Charlemagne** » 31 Oct 2003 04:24

OK...if i misunderstood you ,i graciously retire what i wrote.
Hasta la vista,camarada polaco !

Musashi · Post by **Musashi** » 31 Oct 2003 10:47

Ostuf Charlemagne wrote:OK...if i misunderstood you ,i graciously retire what i wrote.
Hasta la vista,camarada polaco !

De nada, pero no soy un camarada para usted

Kal_El · Post by **Kal_El** » 31 Oct 2003 13:50

David and Benoit thank you for the links. Its been very interesting to read more about this subject.

Regards

Morten

Askold · Post by **Askold** » 31 Oct 2003 22:05

only have general information based on what I recall reading from many internet sources. Ukranians living in the area were described as a sheep herding, Greek Catholic people belonging to a Ruthenian sub group.

- Sheer-hearders? Ukrainian-Ruthenians? Which planet are you from? Let me guess - its either Mars or Poland.

Musashi · Post by **Musashi** » 31 Oct 2003 23:32

Instead of writing such comments you should correct somebody who wrote so. Write your version

Deterance · Post by **Deterance** » 01 Nov 2003 04:01

Askold wrote:- Sheer-hearders? Ukrainian-Ruthenians? Which planet are you from? Let me guess - its either Mars or Poland.

Yeah, thats what the sources said a "Pastoral, sheep herding people".

The reason why I said "Ukrainian/Ruthernian" was an attempt to remain nueteral and not involve myself in Eastern European ethnic disputes.

I really dont know if the population living there was called "Ruthenian", "Ukrainian", "Rusyn", "Carpatho Rusyn" , "Hauptl" (sp) or MARTIAN.

Maybe they were called different names by different people at different times...now that is a hard concept to grasp...especially for people with limited intelligence.