The "myths" about the Holocaust

Penn44 · Post by **Penn44** » 01 Dec 2003 10:05

Dan wrote: ... the myths surrounding what happened to the Jews during the second world war are stopped being shoved down our throats.

What "myths" are you referring to?

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Dan · Post by **Dan** » 01 Dec 2003 10:15

Penn44 wrote:
Dan wrote: ... the myths surrounding what happened to the Jews during the second world war are stopped being shoved down our throats.
What "myths" are you referring to?

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Are you unaware of any? Is this a question asked honestly?

Penn44 · Post by **Penn44** » 01 Dec 2003 11:48

Dan wrote:
Penn44 wrote:
Dan wrote: ... the myths surrounding what happened to the Jews during the second world war are stopped being shoved down our throats.
What "myths" are you referring to?

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Are you unaware of any? Is this a question asked honestly?

Yes, I want to hear from you what these myths are.

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Dan · Post by **Dan** » 01 Dec 2003 12:58

First tell me whether or not you are aware of any.

Penn44 · Post by **Penn44** » 01 Dec 2003 13:59

Dan:

The only "myth" about the Holocaust that I am aware of deals with consumer soap made from human fat.

Karl · Post by **Karl** » 01 Dec 2003 14:32

What about the one where the Nazi’s (besides Koch...) bound books and lamp shades made from human skin and made tables and chairs from human bones?

Rob - wssob2 · Post by **Rob - wssob2** » 01 Dec 2003 15:09

Hey Penn44 -- Here's a couple more Holocust "myths" for you:

1) There was a master plan for the Holocaust.

2) Gas chambers were used to killed people at Auschwicz.

3) There was a net decrease in the population of European Jews from 1933 to 1945.

4) Gas vans were used to kill people

Holocaust "myths" are easily refuted by assertive, sweeping statements such as (these are the ones I'm familiar with):

a) The Waffen-SS had nothing to do with the Holocaust

b) The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising had nothing to do with the Holocaust

c) The war unit diary of the Kommandostab-RFSS which detailed the execution of Jewish civilians was probably faked by the Soviets

d) The "Jaeger Report" detailing Einsatzgruppen activity has never been proved authentic

e) Besides, the Einsatzgruppen didn't exist. They were faked in a studio run by a British Jew in Canada.

f) The Germans, absolutely not a single one of them, knew nothing of the Holocaust, especially, of course since there was no "Holocaust" - in fact it's all a "Big Lie" (recycling a phase used by Hitler) a "Holohoax" etc. etc. od infinitum, od nauseum...

Karl · Post by **Karl** » 01 Dec 2003 15:17

There’s also the one about human hair used to make some form of textiles for U-Boot crews…

Dan · Post by **Dan** » 01 Dec 2003 15:19

Boy Rob, that was helpfull.

The last Holohoax movie I saw was "Winds of War" it was many years ago, but I remember an early scene when some Americans leaving Germany before the US got involved with the war were accosted at the airport by some German soldiers. A creepy looking officer started walking around an American girl, looking her up and down and finally saying that she looked Jewish. It was a tense moment, but an American diplomat interviened, and so she wasn't immediately taken to a gas chamber.

There are many examples, one could go on all day about shoes being piled up to unlikely heights, SS beating machines, roaming around with wolves, award winning novels like Fragments which were just made up, novels like Night which even holocaust historians admit are more allegorical than truthfull, paintings that are at best borish plagiarisms. But as I said, we could go on all day. Perhaps if you spend a few months in the archives we can have a meaningful conversation about them.

Karl · Post by **Karl** » 01 Dec 2003 15:35

SS beating machines…?

Dan · Post by **Dan** » 01 Dec 2003 15:38

Karl wrote:SS beating machines…?

Yes, and as I recall, the presiding judge wrote down in his notes "I find this very unlikely" while listening to this testimony.

Karl · Post by **Karl** » 01 Dec 2003 15:43

Dan · Post by **Dan** » 01 Dec 2003 16:02

There's another current one, that had to do with Swiss dormant accounts. It proved to be just another big, fat, lie, but not before a bunch of holohoax lawyers extorted 1.25 billion dollars from the most respected bankers on earth. Hilberg wrote a scathing article about these vultures, but his words don't carry alot of weight among those in our government who have their hands on the levers of power.

Rob - wssob2 · Post by **Rob - wssob2** » 01 Dec 2003 17:14

"Winds of War" was a TV miniseries, starring Robert Mitchum

http://www.eonline.com/Facts/Movies/0,60,19209,00.html

Which was based on a novel of the same name by Herman Wouk:

http://www.researchresources.net/books/ ... rMTVR.html

Dan - you cite a TV miniseries based on a work of fiction. But I don't see how Wouk's book (which uses the "Henry" family, with 3 members in the USN, as an allegory to describe America's entry into WWII) can be cited as an example of Holocaust mythmaking. Are you intolerant of any movie that places Nazi's in a bad light?

The book "Fragments" was written by a guy named Binjamin Wilkomirski. It was supposedly about his experiences as a child in several KZ's, but the publisher withdrew the book after doubts circulated regarding the author's veracity.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/475740.stm

Predictably, David Irving made a big stink about the book

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/98/10/CalgHerald041098.html

And of course, if a fraud writes a book about the Holocaust, then the Holocaust is a fraud, right?

Speaking of fraudulent accounts, ever heard of Konrad Kujau? And what's that

Elie Weisel wrote the novel "Night," which is based on his personal experiences.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... 6?v=glance

But apparently, Holocaust survivors aren't allowed to write novels based on autobiographic experiences

Information regarding the dormant accounts in Swiss Banks can be found at
http://www.dormantaccounts.ch/
http://www.claims.state.ny.us/
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9710/29/swiss.banks.nazi/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1594242.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1154513.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/35938.stm

Considering that the Nazis did their banking with the Swiss, and that over 800 dormant account claims have been verified, don't you think that claiming all this to be a "big, fat, lie" a bit overstated?

ChristopherPerrien · Post by **ChristopherPerrien** » 01 Dec 2003 18:01

But apparently, Holocaust survivors aren't allowed to write novels based on autobiographic experiences

I would say apparently they should not.

When you start writing Fiction about a real tragedy , for the purpose of making $$. It devalues and debases what really occured.

Example:
"Titanic" Anyone! Whew boy! Wish I was there!

Historical fiction is dangerous especially when it is written by someone who experienced it and then writes a fiction that capitalizes and profits on that fact. Most of the ignorant masses will just take such fluff at face value and think it is the truth. Can you say " Saving Private Ryan"?. Do you think that is believe by many to BE HISTORY. Are you "happy" about that movie, being the expert you may be.

I can only imagine if someone made a film or wrote a book " based on historical events" that portrayed the Nazi's as the good guys using desperate means to save the world from some vast Jewish/Communist
conspiracy.

Lord help us, Mel Gibson can't make a film with the "WRONG POINT OF VIEW" even if it is "based on historical events" or "historical facts". depending on your religion.

But a I gather these same people who condone "Holocaust Novel" historical fiction, know better than to call the "New Testament" historical
fiction. Wouldn't that be something! Might as well just vote for Hitler.

Writing historical fiction or making movies about the Holocaust is dangerous because it in effect marres the real historical record, and in effect is nothing more than propaganda to brainwash the masses to a cause. When a "cause" or person uses or needs lies to support itself, the virtue of the underlying cause/reasons/events can be severly doubted.

The truth won't sell?
The truth is not enough?
Funny, it is for me.