Zyklon-B & blue colour

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Zyklon-B & blue colour

Post by F.N. » 02 Mar 2004 19:58

Also I have more questions.

look at this picture:
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This shows one of the chambers that they used to desinfect clothing, Zyklon-B was used.

Zyklon-B contains hydrogencyanid and mixed with oxygen and iron this blue color will be created.

Since you will find trases of iron in all common building materials, why doesn't the gas-chambers have this blue colour?

Let me point out that this colour does not wear off, it lasts for hundreds- maybe thousands of years.

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Post by wright61 » 02 Mar 2004 20:36

Are the walls in the gas chambers the same as those in the photo or were they tiled?

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Post by F.N. » 02 Mar 2004 20:39

robert.wright46 wrote:Are the walls in the gas chambers the same as those in the photo or were they tiled?
They are the same, just concrete, no tiles.

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Post by wright61 » 02 Mar 2004 20:44

interesting! Do you have a photo of the gas chambers for comparison. Also are you suggesting a different chemical was used to gas concentration camp prisoners and which chemical do you think they used? :?

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Post by F.N. » 02 Mar 2004 20:50

Here is a gas-chamber:

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I have no idea what they could have used, but I think this is a strong evidence against Zyklon-B.

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Post by wright61 » 02 Mar 2004 20:58

This could be any old room and how can you demonsrate to me that this is a gas chamber and that the other room isnt the gas chamber! :lol:

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Post by F.N. » 02 Mar 2004 21:15

How can you prove that it is not a gas-chamber and how can we know all the "gas-chambers" on pictures is infact gas-chambers. Is there proof that there ever was gas-chambers?

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Re: Zyklon-B & blue colour

Post by xcalibur » 02 Mar 2004 21:16

F.N. wrote:Also I have more questions.

look at this picture:
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Let me point out that this colour does not wear off, it lasts for hundreds- maybe thousands of years.

-regards

Really? This claim is based on what evidence?

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Post by wright61 » 02 Mar 2004 21:20

I asked you for a photo of a gas chamber for comparison it is not beholden upon me to prove the photo youve shown me is a gas chamber
but to you as it is your evidence!! :)

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Post by David Thompson » 02 Mar 2004 21:21

F.N.'s photo of a gas chamber is authentic. It shows the chamber associated with Krematorium I at Auschwitz. Skeptics can see a black and white version, showing the same view, in the extracts I scanned from Pressac at p. 1 of this thread:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=42759

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Post by Marcus » 02 Mar 2004 21:23

Here is an article that might be of use:
Leuchter, Rudolf, and the Iron Blues - http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschw ... stry/blue/

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Post by F.N. » 02 Mar 2004 21:24

Really? This claim is based on what evidence?
The blue colour is the same that is used on chinese porselain, wich is very old.
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This is from the ming dynasty.

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Post by Dan » 02 Mar 2004 21:33

David, wasn't Krema 1 largely destroyed and rebuilt? If so, you would not expect much in the way of HCN residues.

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Post by Penn44 » 02 Mar 2004 22:19

F.N. wrote:
Really? This claim is based on what evidence?
The blue colour is the same that is used on chinese porselain, wich is very old.
How did the Chinese apply the blue on the porcelain and how did the Germans dispense the Zyklon-B?


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Post by David Thompson » 02 Mar 2004 22:21

Dan -- Jean-Claude Pressac talks about Krematorium I in his work Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers, The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, New York: 1989, pp. 123-61. He says that during WWII this gas chamber was originally used as a morgue for the Krematorium, and by the end of 1941 was converted into a homicidal gas chamber. It was only used occasionally, and not continuously, for homicidal gassing until some time in 1942 (p. 132). Pressac says that the number of victims is unknown -- "probably not more than 10 000." (p. 132). Krematorium I was abandoned in 1943, with the three furnaces dismantled and the chimney demolished. (p. 132) After the bombing of the Monowitz Buna facility by the USAAF on 13 Sept 1944, the SS converted what was left of Krematorium I into an air raid shelter for patients at the SS hospital next door. (pp. 132-33). The old morgue/gas chamber was divided into 4 rooms during this reconstruction. Immediately after the liberation of Auschwitz in 1945, Polish authorities began to re-convert the building into a Krematorium. This reconstruction was done from the memory of former prisoners, because the architectural drawings, etc. had not been collected and evaluated yet. (p. 133). In February 1988 Fred Leuchter visited Auschwitz and took seven unauthorized scraping samples from the bricks and cement of this structure. Leuchter had the samples tested for cyanide traces, and six of the seven samples from the former morgue were positive for the presence of cyanide. (p. 133).

Pressac explained the presence of blue staining in the disinfestation chambers by saying that, in the disinfestation process, clothes, etc. were exposed to heavy concentrations of the Zyklon b for long periods of time -- 10-16 hours. However, Pressac says, in the homicidal gas chambers the gas only took 10 minutes or so to kill the folks inside, after which time it was pumped out. If I can relocate this passage I'll scan and post it, along with a page reference.

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