Foo-fighters , reality or fiction ?

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Foo-fighters , reality or fiction ?

Post by PanzerVI » 07 Mar 2004 02:26

Remember the discussed Foo-fighters , the bomber pilots used to see above Germany on their raids ?
Ever heard about Richard Miethe , Schriever , Beluzzo ? The V7 test at Peenemünde ?
I have also something interesting (WITH REAL LUFTWAFFE PICS) on this site http://www.reichsflugscheiben.de/
Have a look and comment.Post also your pics and personal opinions.
I know it sounds like something from a short X-Files episode but please try :)
Thanks in advance.

Bogdan

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Post by MadderCat » 07 Mar 2004 12:01

pure fiction on reichsflugscheiben in my opinion
i have the publication Flugzeug Profile Nr. 23 "Deutsche Kreiselflugzeuge"
and it's pure nonsens with a few facts, nothing serious in my point of view


about foo fighters:
remember please foo fighters were seen and reported over europe by
allied and axis pilots and what most people forget in south-east-asia
(mainly reported by american crews)


my 2 cents

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Post by PanzerVI » 07 Mar 2004 16:46

MadderCat wrote:about foo fighters:
remember please foo fighters were seen and reported over europe by
allied and axis pilots and what most people forget in south-east-asia
(mainly reported by american crews)
Is that an explanation ?
First of all I would like to thank you for your opinion on this matter altough it's very vague and not explaining at all with proof.
How do you explain the Foo-Fighter pics?Error with allied cameras?They were pretty primitive those cameras indeed...but all the pics show round objects?flying above or below the aircraft? and so on...
How about the pics with the german prototypes with the Luftwaffe Cross on them ?
How do you explain all these men were taken into american captivity and sent to the United States as a consequence of Truman's 'Paperclip' document?If they were designing junk why did the americans need them?
These are some good questions which need to be answered not just marked with a personal impression and Sci-Fi feeling.
How about Admiral's Byrd operation 'High-Jump' ? Here's a preview

http://www.think-aboutit.com/Omega/files/omega17.htm

Regards /Bogdan

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 07 Mar 2004 17:02

There is no proof, in my oppinion, of the foo fighters.

The lights the pilots see can very well be reflections from other aircrafts, ground objects or even bids.

The photos, aside from being of said items, is most likely a small error with the camera or the precessing.

If there for some reason is a little hole in a camera, it will create errors such as those seen on the 'foo fighter' photos. The reason you don't see any which are not round is not because they don't exist - they do - but because, if published, it would ruin the 'foo fighter' theory. Since the only ones who have a real intrest in the 'phenomenon' are those who would like to sell books on the subject, there is no reason for them to debunk themself.

A small drop of developement chemical can also give similar effects, and will (as per the nature of drops) make roundish shapes.

Besides, those three photographs on the site are the only one I've ever seen. Writing books (or even websites) based on three photographs and eye wittness accounts (which are never reliable as sources for facts), all of which are Allied, is rediculous.

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Post by PanzerVI » 07 Mar 2004 17:15

Cristian thanks for your opinion , too.
I see your points which can make a difference between real and fictious.You are right in all cases.Foo-Fighters were not certified just presumed.We can only presume if they existed of not.
But , then...why did all those nutt-crack scientists , like Schriever , Miethe and other were taken by the 'Paperclip' order into america ?What was the american interest in them ?
And how do you comment the last issue of my last post , that of Byrd.
Thank you.

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 07 Mar 2004 17:51

Germany had many scientists with exellent skills in rocketry and jet power. That is why many of them were 'adopted' by the US.

As for the High Jump article, I only have one comment - bogus. There were no 'Nazi UFOs' with swastikas or iron crosses at all...

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Post by Andreas » 07 Mar 2004 18:49

http://www.reichsflugscheiben.net/ - motto: If you can read, you have an advantage.

A website dedicated to dispelling Nazi myths. In German.

Of particular interest in this context:

Reichsflugscheiben

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Post by DrG » 07 Mar 2004 19:20

In my opinion, foo-fighters are only a myth.
About the alleged studies about flying disks by Germany in WW2 (except the ugly Sacks AS 6, a lenticular wing airplane), I think it was mostly a post-WW2 myth too. But this time I'm puzzled by the fact that it was all started not by an unknown man, but by ing. Giuseppe Belluzzo (1876-1952) (ok, he is an unknown man, at least today and ouside Italy ;)). He had been a member of the parliament and minister in the 1920's; his studies on turbines were the most advanced in Italy. The turbines of the battleships of Littorio class were a project of him, and in WW2 he had projected also a turbo-jet engine, it was under construction before the Italian armistice.
When he made the interview that started all the claims about Nazi UFOs (27 March 1950) he was already very old and he didn't earn a penny from these stories. God only knows why he told those things.
Recently (more than 50 years after the death of Belluzzo) some speculations about an UFO crashed in Lombardy in the 1930's and the following retro-engineering from it, directed, as usual, by ing. Belluzzo have appeared on the press (see: http://www.storiainrete.com/enigmi/fasc ... o-ufo1.php).
These pages are about the alleged Nazi UFOs:
http://www.magonia.demon.co.uk/abwatch/ ... iufo1.html
http://www.naziufos.com/NEWSCL/BELLUZZO.HTM

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Re: Foo-fighters , reality or fiction ?

Post by PanzerVI » 07 Mar 2004 20:20

PanzerVI wrote:?
Ever heard about Richard Miethe , Schriever , Beluzzo ? The V7 test at Peenemünde ?
I have also something interesting (WITH REAL LUFTWAFFE PICS) on this site http://www.reichsflugscheiben.de/
Andreas I gave the site in my original post :D

Drg I asked also about Belluzzo too there , and yes he was very good with turbines.BMW seems to have provided such turbines for him and Miethe :)

Anyway thanks for your opinions.

Bogdan

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Re: Foo-fighters , reality or fiction ?

Post by Andreas » 07 Mar 2004 20:26

PanzerVI wrote:
PanzerVI wrote:?
Andreas I gave the site in my original post :D
No you did not, there is a crucial difference. This one is .net, not .de, and the slant is ever so slightly different. :wink:

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Post by PanzerVI » 08 Mar 2004 00:31

Ooopsie , my mistake.My appologies for the correction I was hasty on reading the .net part :oops:
I didn't imagine two such sites exist as I encountered at first just the .de one.
Sorry again

Regards , Bogdan

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Post by Kurt_Steiner » 09 May 2004 08:58

Here come my two cents.

German foo-fighters? Non-sense. If they had problems to develop the Jumo engines for the Schwalbe, how the hell would they be able to develop such technology?

As some people say in Spain: Amos anda! :P

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PS: Did the Allies capture examples of such planes?

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Post by MAX_theHitMan » 09 May 2004 16:52

Do not believe "everything" you read about... or see.

Make an in-depth research on the subject. And piece together the puzzle until all comes clear. Alot of myths have been started just because alot of people didn´t research deep down for the facts, or at least a "logical" explanation.
It seems they are just happy saying "The aliens did it"...or "Elvis is alive and well, and living in Seattle, Washington" :P

For along time I have been interested in the UFO phenomenom myself, I have numerous books and thousands of photos and articles on the subject ...BUT one must not take into mind that "it´s the aliens". No.
Most happen to be top-secret "skunk-works" aircraft, that the worlds air-forces don´t want YOU to know about them... until a war breaks out. (Notice the B-2 bomber and the F117 fighter/bomber)

In the case of WWII Axis aircraft, it is TRUE they had numerous projects being developed and even flown before the war ended.
Some of that tecnology was way ahead of their time, for the tecnological equipment still being used.
They were very inpressive indeed, but they were not all that advanced. Hundreds of rockets and missiles were crashing and blowing up in the air because they didn´t have the guidance system (or some other system) working properly. Even the ME262, considered to be a masterpiece in tecnological advancement in jet-airplanes for the time, had inumerous problems. It needed time to be perfected into a better machine. But the war was coming to a crossroad in which there was no time to wait and perfect it. So they were put into production as fast as possible.
The out-come was a disaster for the Reich, as we all know it.

The "foo-fighter" phenomenom is something which only now we are starting to understand. It´s about something called "Plasma". It is a weather effect which only in the last few years scientists are just beginning to study and try to better explain the phenomenom.
Just like the so-called "quarks" and "Sprites" (blue sprites- red sprites) in the worlds atmosphere that were for the first time filmed by the space-shuttle a few years ago. That weather/atmosphere effect is only now being investigated.

Remenber that this world has ALOT of mysteries about it.
We, as the human race, are still quite young in evolution, and we have not mastered everything around us. We are still learning from nature and from each other. It´s going to take some-time until we can decipher all of these "strange-things" around us. And we will. But until then, alot of people will continue saying that there are Martians living on Mars and the Moon is made of cheese. :P

Investigate the matter yourself and piece the puzzle together.
You will be surprised as to the final story you will find.
BUT like I said before... Do not believe everything you see on a site claiming it to be true. Some of it is quite hilarious and funny, and siometimes down-right scary. But it makes some interesting dinner conversations and reading. Some have even made movies in Hollywood about these stories... it´s great show-business.

I will give you some sites to start your investigation off with...
,,,you take it from there and collect as much of the "puzzle" and you decide for yourself. It´s alot of fun piecing together this puzzle game :)

see also the links to other places these sites offer
http://www.luft46.com
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/g ... apons.html
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/index.html
http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/ ... esler.html
http://www.rense.com/historic/hist.htm
http://www.scifi.com/ufo/
http://www.bvalphaserver.com/
http://unrealaircraft.com/content.php?page=links#wings
http://www.cufon.org/cufon/flydisc.htm
http://www.laesieworks.com/ifo/
http://members.tripod.com/uforeview/naziufo.html
http://www.rense.com/ufo4/historyofufo.htm

I hope this helps a bit for you to find "some" truth behind the myths... have fun

Cheers
MAX-theHitMan
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