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Schwere Panzer Abteilung 503 (2)

Post by nacho » 07 Apr 2004 20:50

Thanks Bayerlein, I already Know this links, anyway great material on these. Can you tell me exactly where and when when the third Co fight (at normandy)? I got doubts about this particular, also pics will be welcome. for instance in one of this links there a resume of the tanks of 1st Coy, I (everybody knows these)have another pics of KT (p), which of these belong to the third Coy at Normandy campaign?

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German Tanks Employed in Normandy

Post by Bayerlein spirit » 08 Apr 2004 14:36

Hello,

Transferred back to the West, the s.Pz.abt 503 received a further 33 Tiger Is and 12 Tiger IIs and was sent to Normandy. 1st company had been re-equipped with Tiger II Bs, but the 2nd and 3rd companies retained the Tiger I E. The 3rd company was caught in a bombing attack the 18 July 1944 and lot of its Tigers were destroyed or damaged. Fourteen Tiger II were despatched to the battalion 27 - 29 July. The tanks arrived during the first week of August. On 11 August, the company left Mailly le camp by rail. It did not arrive for the Falaise battle, and fought near "Mantes and roads to escape" . In september 1944 , s.Pz.abt 503 was completely equipped with 45 new Tiger II Bs.

More about :

http://w1.183.telia.com/~u18313395/norm ... pzabt.html

The french Book of Didier Laudieu :

http://www.ysec.fr/livres/livre_1944_1.htm

3 Kp Tiger II Ko'ed late august 1944 northern France
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Post by Polynike » 08 Apr 2004 22:40

Not at home at the moment but Eric Lefevre's (sp) Panzers in Normandy: Then and Now might provide some information. it published by after the battle

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Post by nacho » 09 Apr 2004 00:05

I know the Lodieu book, I buyed it 5 or 6 months ago, very good! at least for the photos, superb material!!! but when talks about the third Coy, it's not very explicit of when the fight goes on. As you know there's some other photos showing disabled or destroyed KTs (p), I will know if any body can help me to recognize any of this machines. the pics I put on this post show the third's Coy training on Mailly le camp (as all of you know) but, what about the other KTs? which is their number? when and where they was destroyed/abandoned?. that's the point.



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Post by nacho » 09 Apr 2004 00:28

I know the Lodieu book, I buyed it 5 or 6 months ago, very good! at least for the photos, superb material!!! but when talks about the third Coy, it's not very explicit of when the fight goes on. As you know there's some other photos showing disabled or destroyed KTs (p), I will know if any body can help me to recognize any of this machines. the pics I put on this post show the third's Coy training on Mailly le camp (as all of you know) but, what about the other KTs? which is their number? when and where they was destroyed/abandoned?. that's the point.



Thanks for helping

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Post by nacho » 09 Apr 2004 00:42

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Post by nacho » 09 Apr 2004 00:46

sorry thpic named ktiger_7 is wrong, here is the right one.
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Post by Bayerlein spirit » 09 Apr 2004 01:04

hello Nacho,

First picture is a S.Pz.Abt.101SS number 111 destroyed near Goincourt ( Northern France) 30th august 1944

Second picture ; Swedich Tiger on the way to Karlsborg, November 1948 was ( probably ) vehicle #12 of PanzerKompanie Funklenk 316 (Fkl 316) destroyed at Varize near Chateaudun the 18 august 1944 ( picture attachment ).

History :

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/swekt.htm

third picture This Tiger II 3./s.Pz.Abt 503 was destroyed the 26 august 1944 near " Fontenay Saint-Père " may be the # 322

last picture Tiger II 3./s.Pz.Abt 503 destroyed by air bombing and abandoned by crew near " Bois de L'Aunaie " 29 august 1944
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503 Anneliese

Post by Bayerlein spirit » 09 Apr 2004 01:23

It seems one 3./s.Pz.Abt 503 Tiger's was safe and we can see "Anneliese " on this picture in Hungary ( march 1945 ). Who knows more about, according with many comments, number 314...
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503 Tigers

Post by Bayerlein spirit » 09 Apr 2004 02:28

Tigers losses 3./s.Pz.Abt 503 12 august- 3 september 1944 :

45 Tiger in Normandy by Didier Lodieu

14 Tiger

1. Tiger 311 destroyed by air bombing 12 august 1944 - Cézanne railway p183

2. Tiger return to Germany

3. Tiger return to Germany ( may be 314 " Anneliese " ) one of both

4. Tiger 332 destroyed by crew near Paris 21 august 1944 ( not clear ) p168

5. Tiger 322 ( Weiland ) out of order and finally destroyed near Fontenay Saint-Père 26 august 1944 p 172

6. Tiger destroyed near Fontenay Saint-Père 26 august 1944 p173

7. Tiger 301 ( Neeb )destroyed near Sailly 28 august 1944 p175

8. Tiger 300 ( Scherf ) abandoned and destroyed by crew near Oinville the 28 august 1944 p176

9. Tiger destroyed by air bombing and disabled by crew in " Bois de l'Aunaie " 29 august 1944 p177

10.Tiger ( Müller) disabled by crew "parc du chateau de Marines" 29 august 1944 p178

11.Tiger out of order and abandonned near Santeuil 29 august 1944 p178

12.Tiger out of order tracks breakdown and destroyed by Sherman in Beauvais the 30 august 1944 p178

13.Tiger ( Rambow ) disabled by crew near Saint-Pol de Ternoise the 30 august 1944 p178

14.Tiger ( Severin ) out of order and abandoned by crew north of Cambrai the 3 september 1944 p179
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503 map

Post by Bayerlein spirit » 09 Apr 2004 11:07

Find here the location of 14 Tiger on this map
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Post by nacho » 09 Apr 2004 14:52

Thanks a lot bayerlein, the matter now is to put a photo on every number...may you help? By the way, the pic a post om the colour pics post of a Stug III G is from Internet, I don't remember from where...I guess 1943-44 east front, late model?

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Post by nacho » 09 Apr 2004 15:07

another one, Russia fall 1943?
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Post by Michael Kenny » 09 Apr 2004 15:14

I think you will find it is very difficult to put turret numbers on these 3rd kp. tanks. Not only that the number of TII's with the production turret in this batch is also in dispute. Veterans say only 2 when the photos show 3 knocked out. I have been trying for years and am still in the dark.

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Post by nacho » 09 Apr 2004 17:55

Thank you Michael, do you know how many pics exist of these 3rd Co. KTst? I think it's very interesting....the situation map with dates may correspond with the pics I know that's doesn't belong to the 1st Co. I will lookin my archive and see what I find...

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