Mass grave of fascism victims found in Crimea

Oleg Grigoryev · Post by **Oleg Grigoryev** » 10 Apr 2004 00:54

http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=9688661

KYIV. April 9 (Interfax) - A mass grave, which presumably contains the bodies of victims of fascist executions during World War II was found in the Crimea, not far from Bakhchisarai on the Yuzhnaya balka.

The information center at the Crimean office of the Emergency Situations Ministry reported that the remains of 50 people were found as well as several German mines and approximately 10 shells.

The head of the excavation, Vasily Rybka, said that the German SS 10-A squad had conducted mass executions on the site in 1941.

Archeologists found the remains of ten children aged 10-17. They presume that over 2,000 people have been buried at the site.

The Crimean government ordered that the bodies be re-buried.

Benoit Douville · Post by **Benoit Douville** » 10 Apr 2004 20:06

I am not surprised at all and I think more mass grave will be discovered soon on the bloody Battle of the Eastern Front.

Regards

Gwynn Compton · Post by **Gwynn Compton** » 11 Apr 2004 02:08

Another reminder of the barbarity of the invasion of the Soviet Union. One can only hope that some sort of memorial will go up to these victims.

Gwynn

Yevgeniy B. · Post by **Yevgeniy B.** » 11 Apr 2004 04:22

i bet, they will find more sights of terrible slaughters, made happened, by SS, over the years

Yevgeniy

Dan · Post by **Dan** » 11 Apr 2004 12:49

I wonder if they will do tests to determine who the victims were, and if so, it will be announced.

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » 11 Apr 2004 13:45

Indeed this was barbaric and there must be a lot of other graves like this to be discovered. Playing the card of devil's advocate I wonder how many grave sites there are to be found that were similar to Katyn, initially blamed on the Germans, but perpurtrated by the Soviet Union. Both systems were barbaric in nature so I can see more than 1 Katyn.
Regards
Peter Bickle

gewehrdork · Post by **gewehrdork** » 12 Apr 2004 23:16

Sad truth is that as many russian people that were executed by the nazis , joe stalin did as many if not more...and no doubt you will here any such 'graves' unearthed all blamed on the nazis like they ( communists )tried with the katyn incident.

Oleg Grigoryev · Post by **Oleg Grigoryev** » 12 Apr 2004 23:20

gewehrdork wrote:Sad truth is that as many russian people that were executed by the nazis , joe stalin did as many if not more...and no doubt you will here any such 'graves' unearthed all blamed on the nazis like they ( communists )tried with the katyn incident.

and I assume you have the numbers handy to prove your claim?

fighting_scars · Post by **fighting_scars** » 13 Apr 2004 01:58

gewehrdork wrote:Sad truth is that as many russian people that were executed by the nazis , joe stalin did as many if not more...and no doubt you will here any such 'graves' unearthed all blamed on the nazis like they ( communists )tried with the katyn incident.

If you hadn't clicked to teh fact that Communism is gone in said areas of the world you really need to read the newspapers more often. They're not going to blame it on the Nazi's if it was the Communists that did it, because why should they protect either side?

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » 13 Apr 2004 02:38

Although Russia has changed since the 1940s and more freedom is available since 1990 I reckon if mass graves are found they may still be blamed on the Nazis, even if they were done by the SU. Maybe only initially though.

Oleg Grigoryev · Post by **Oleg Grigoryev** » 13 Apr 2004 09:44

[email protected] wrote:Although Russia has changed since the 1940s and more freedom is available since 1990 I reckon if mass graves are found they may still be blamed on the Nazis, even if they were done by the SU. Maybe only initially though.

Firstly Crimea is not in Russia – it is Ukraine. Secondly out of two most publicized recent cases that were initially blamed on repressions –both turned out to be wrong. First was last year then found a mass grave not far from Moscow – turned out to be Napoleonic soldiers, and second one in Byelorussia – executed by Nazis Soviet POWs

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » 13 Apr 2004 12:41

Hi Oleg
Crimea was part of the old SU, although you are right, it is part of the Ukraine. At present I am drinking vodka while watching the movie Stalingrad. In WW2 was Stalingrad considered Ukraine or was it another part? I know Kharkov was Ukraine territory. I know it was referred to as the gatewat to Asia being on the Volga.
Regarding the finding of mass graves, it is interesting to see what the analysis of who did these was, although it is history it is always better to get the truth. For along time Katyn was blamed on the Germans until the late 80s/early 90s. I am more interested in the truth, not the propaganda.
BTW, where do you live in the old Russia. Being in New Zealand it is hard to comprehend what is Ukraine, Russia etc. A geography lesson for me

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My brother is planning a trip to Volgograd later this year, do you know anything I can tell him as advise on what to see, where to go etc? I believe a trip to the steppe will still find treasures with a metal detector.
Regards
Peter Bickle

ckleisch · Post by **ckleisch** » 14 Apr 2004 22:43

I would think if mass graves are found in Russia as presumed by a previous poster it would be more likey to the North and east of Moscow or in Siberia near the Gulags. Doubt germans can be blamed for that. That presuming the russians killed in mass quantility as some alledge. Wasn't there a dam in Northern Russia that many were worked to death? Seem to remeber something about such a place.

Georg_S · Post by **Georg_S** » 16 Apr 2004 05:47

[email protected] wrote:Hi Oleg
Crimea was part of the old SU, although you are right, it is part of the Ukraine. At present I am drinking vodka while watching the movie Stalingrad. In WW2 was Stalingrad considered Ukraine or was it another part? I know Kharkov was Ukraine territory. I know it was referred to as the gatewat to Asia being on the Volga.
Regarding the finding of mass graves, it is interesting to see what the analysis of who did these was, although it is history it is always better to get the truth. For along time Katyn was blamed on the Germans until the late 80s/early 90s. I am more interested in the truth, not the propaganda.
BTW, where do you live in the old Russia. Being in New Zealand it is hard to comprehend what is Ukraine, Russia etc. A geography lesson for me .
My brother is planning a trip to Volgograd later this year, do you know anything I can tell him as advise on what to see, where to go etc? I believe a trip to the steppe will still find treasures with a metal detector.
Regards
Peter Bickle

The only one s who blamed that incident on the Germans was
the Soviet-U or it´s satelitte states, even during the IMT in Nürnberg,
the Russians wanted the Germans to be convicted
for that incident, but the other Allied (Western) refused as they knew
that it was the SU who had committed the Crime.

Best reg.

Georg

tonyh · Post by **tonyh** » 19 Apr 2004 11:40

Yeah, but "honest" brokers of the Allied counsel during the Nürnburg trials didn't bother to mention that the Soviet Union actually carried out the massacre. Thats not much better.

Tony

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