Why does "Holocaust Revisionism" sounds hollow

[Ovidius]

The real staying power of this story is that it is extremely difficult to prove that something didn't happen. For example:

Can you prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hillary Clinton didn't sneak in your room last night while you were asleep and then stared at you for hours? Why not? Doesn't the fact that you can't prove that she wasn't there say that she could have have been there without your knowledge? And, who says that she did it without your knowledge? Isn't true that you are conspiring with the government to hide the fact that Hillary Clinton stared at you? In fact, why don't you just show me your proof that you're not on the government payroll yourself as a paid member of the conspiracy to hide Hillary Clinton's whereabouts from the taxpayers. And, while you're at it, just where were you on the day when Cort Cobain committed his alleged suicide? Oh, really? How about giving us the names of the witnesses to your whereabouts so that they can be added to the list of co-conspirators?

See how easy it is?

Source: http://www.warships1.com/W-Tech/tech-058.htm

~Regards,

Ovidius

[Charles Bunch]

The real staying power of this story is that it is extremely difficult to prove that something didn't happen.

True Holocaust Revisionism wouldn't have to prove that the Holocaust didn't happen. It would merely assess the wealth of evidence available and propose an alternative historical narrative described by that evidence, and make an argument for that narrative being a superior interpretation of all the known evidence.

Holocaust Denial doesn't do that. It can't do that, since there is no plausible narrative that would even remotely challenge the conclusion that Nazi Germany attempted the genocide of European Jewry and succeeded in murdering something like 6 million of them by various means.

What Holocaust Denial does is deny. It denies the evidence. It claims that dozens of Nazis only admitted their crime because they were tortured. It claims that numerous Jews who witnessed key murdering modalities are liars, simply because the Germans treated them badly. It ignores or maligns Germans, Poles, Ukrainians and others who testified to the mass murder of Jews. It declares a mass of documents fake, or mindlessly maintains that German words don't mean what every German historian, indeed every objective German, knows they mean. It lies about whether mass graves have been found at some death camp sites, as it has lied about a half dozen contemporaneous aerial photographs taken of the Birkenau site in 1944-1945.

It has on occasion attempted to guild its empty message through pseudo-scholarly articles which are filled with lies and distortions of the evidence, or which focus on a few pieces while ignoring other, sometimes more important corroborating evidence. As the dishonesty has been exposed over the years, it often moves on to new dishonest claims, which then must be painstakingly debunked.

The only Holocaust Revisionism being undertaken is that done by historians who utilize new evidence, or accept stronger interpretations of existing evidence, to continually refine the history of the Holocaust. That's the way the revision of history works. It doesn't work by a small band of cranks and Jew haters starting out by wishing to whitewash Nazi crimes, and then merely saying there is no evidence.

[Yan-17]

Holocaust is now, as it ever be, an industry ! Wherever there's an industry, there's money ... Wherever there's money there's lies, corruption ...

[Xanthro]

Holocaust is now, as it ever be, an industry ! Wherever there's an industry, there's money ... Wherever there's money there's lies, corruption ...

An industry? The only people who make their livelihoods from the Holocaust are holocaust deniers. Even real historians who write about the Holocaust have actual jobs that pay the bills.

This argument that somehow huge sums of money are being made off of the Holocaust exists only in the narrow minds of petty people.

If the movie industry is making huge sums of money from Holocaust stories, then the industry of Outback Aussies fighting Crocs must be even bigger, since Crocadile Dundee made more money than Schinlder's List.

Xanthro

[Dan]

An industry? The only people who make their livelihoods from the Holocaust are holocaust deniers.

Very often, your posts make sense, but that remark was butt-stupid. What about the old woman who made over 10 million writing a book about how when she was a 9 year old ran around Europe being fed and protected by a pack of wolves, and killed a German soldier with a pocket knive, and watched children being ''gassed".

Do I have to give more examples, or is your salary so high that 10 million dollars isn't making a living?

[Xanthro]

An industry? The only people who make their livelihoods from the Holocaust are holocaust deniers.

Very often, your posts make sense, but that remark was butt-stupid. What about the old woman who made over 10 million writing a book about how when she was a 9 year old ran around Europe being fed and protected by a pack of wolves, and killed a German soldier with a pocket knive, and watched children being ''gassed".

Do I have to give more examples, or is your salary so high that 10 million dollars isn't making a living?

That hardly counts as an industry. Many such books are written about various topics.

Plus, these people only get to write one book, so it isn't a living, it's like winning the lottery.

At least to me, an industry or a livelihood must be something that is done on a somewhat consistent biases.

Most books on the holocaust don't make much money, because frankly the subject matter is dark and gloomy.

In the case of your women, it's not that it was written about the holocaust that made it sell, but that it appealed to the national enquirer crowd. The Jewish Wolfgirl or something to that effect.

Had the setting been something other than the holocaust, the story would have sold equally as well.

People buy outrageous stories about all events, and kooks write about all of them trying to cash in, but they're not making their money from the setting of their story, but by the outrageousness of it.

Xanthro

[Dan]

Well, Miss piggy's husband Goldhagen has had a string of two. Perhaps we should try to find out how much money he made (in both advances and royalties) from both his slander of the German race, and secondly of his slander of the Catholic Church.

Regards.

[Benoit Douville]

Yan-17,

The holocaust is not an industry. When you enter the museum of Auschwitz it's absolutely free. You can give a donation only if you want.

À bientôt.

[Scott Smith]

Yan-17,

The holocaust is not an industry. When you enter the museum of Auschwitz it's absolutely free. You can give a donation only if you want.

And no one would donate at all if it were not a cause célèbre, especially now with Zionism under siege.

[Roberto]

Yan-17,

The holocaust is not an industry. When you enter the museum of Auschwitz it's absolutely free. You can give a donation only if you want.

And no one would donate at all if it were not a cause célèbre, especially now with Zionism under siege.

I haven´t been there yet, but I´d say the donations requested are for the maintenance of the museum by the competent Polish authorities.

What that has to do with "Zionism" probably requires a "Revisionist" to understand.

[Victor´s Justice?]

Holocaust is now, as it ever be, an industry ! Wherever there's an industry, there's money ... Wherever there's money there's lies, corruption ...

An industry? The only people who make their livelihoods from the Holocaust are holocaust deniers. Even real historians who write about the Holocaust have actual jobs that pay the bills.

This argument that somehow huge sums of money are being made off of the Holocaust exists only in the narrow minds of petty people.

If the movie industry is making huge sums of money from Holocaust stories, then the industry of Outback Aussies fighting Crocs must be even bigger, since Crocadile Dundee made more money than Schinlder's List.

Xanthro

With all respect, your comment was simply stupid and shallow. Just look at the movie industry, at the number of books published, at all documentaries made, at all so-called survivors (much of them later demystified), and all huge amounts of money paid in terms of indemnifications.

You can do better than such tragicomic comments as above.

[Victor´s Justice?]

Yan-17,

The holocaust is not an industry. When you enter the museum of Auschwitz it's absolutely free. You can give a donation only if you want.

À bientôt.

Of course it must be free, what better way of legitimacy would you find to the Zionist Lobby? It would be a shame if it were charged anything, anyway.

[Victor´s Justice?]

Yan-17,

The holocaust is not an industry. When you enter the museum of Auschwitz it's absolutely free. You can give a donation only if you want.

And no one would donate at all if it were not a cause célèbre, especially now with Zionism under siege.
:wink:

I haven´t been there yet, but I´d say the donations requested are for the maintenance of the museum by the competent Polish authorities.

What that has to do with "Zionism" probably requires a "Revisionist" to understand.

Aren´t you able to understand, Roberto? Think of it as part of the necessary upkeep for a great story of Zionist privileges...

[Roberto]

Yan-17,

The holocaust is not an industry. When you enter the museum of Auschwitz it's absolutely free. You can give a donation only if you want.

And no one would donate at all if it were not a cause célèbre, especially now with Zionism under siege.

I haven´t been there yet, but I´d say the donations requested are for the maintenance of the museum by the competent Polish authorities.

What that has to do with "Zionism" probably requires a "Revisionist" to understand.

Aren´t you able to understand, Roberto? Think of it as part of the necessary upkeep for a great story of Zionist privileges...

Not being a True Believer obsessed with "Zionist privileges", whatever that means, I merely see it as part of the documentation of a historical event.

[Scott Smith]

Yan-17,

The holocaust is not an industry. When you enter the museum of Auschwitz it's absolutely free. You can give a donation only if you want.

And no one would donate at all if it were not a cause célèbre, especially now with Zionism under siege.

I haven´t been there yet, but I´d say the donations requested are for the maintenance of the museum by the competent Polish authorities.

What that has to do with "Zionism" probably requires a "Revisionist" to understand.

Aren´t you able to understand, Roberto? Think of it as part of the necessary upkeep for a great story of Zionist privileges...

Not being a True Believer obsessed with "Zionist privileges", whatever that means, I merely see it as part of the documentation of a historical event.

I'm all for museums and historical preservation, but the Big-H long ago crossed into the pale of propaganda and has been milked steadily, and shamelessly.