Let's build: 1. Huszár Division (Hungary)

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Post by hardi » 09 Mar 2005 07:47

Special?

Yes in a way:

They helped a german division once in Russia out of a pocket - as a cavalry they did the old style assault with sword at the carry :)

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Post by CB1 » 15 Apr 2005 07:47

Gentlemen,

Data from an essay by a certain Mr Zoltán Sõregi, published in "Az elsodort város" (a book about the siege of Budapest)

strength of an average huszár regiment (as of 1944 summer, I guess):
- 82 officers
- 2988 huszárs
- 3068 horses :)

equipment:
- 2367 rifles
- 375 SMGs
- 24 MGs (maybe 1907/31M 8mm belt-fed Schwarzlose)
- 12 AT rifles (1936M 20mm Solothurn)
- 12 grenade throwers (1936M 50mm German and/or 1939M 50mm FÉG)
- 60 LMGs (1931M 8mm magazine-fed Solothurn?)
- 12 AT guns (40M 75mm = PaK40?)
- 16 mortars (81mm)
- 4 field howitzers (1918/22M 75mm)

composition of regiment:
- regimental HQ
- regimental units:
* staff platoon (2 LMG squads)
* pioneer platoon
* communications platoon
* mortar platoon (4 mortars)
* motorized AT company (6 AT guns)
* huszár battery (4 howitzers, 2 MGs, 2 LMGs, 7 officers, 140 men, 160 horses)
- 2 „osztály”(squadron?)[/list]

composition of squadron:
- pioneer platoon
- communications platoon
- assault platoon (3 LMG squads)
- heavy weapons company:
* 2 MG platoons (6 MGs)
* 2 mortar platoons (6 mortars)
* 2 AT platoon (3 AT guns)
- 3 huszár companies (including 2 MG squads, 2 GrThr squads, 2 AT rifle squads each)

Bye,
Krisz

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Post by CB1 » 16 Apr 2005 10:35

Gentlemen,

This comes from „Honvédhuszárok 1920-1945” by György Ságvári, Gyõzõ Somogyi and Péter Szabó, published in 2001

Composition of 1CavDiv
- 2HusReg
- 3HusReg
- 4HusReg
- 3RecceBtn (2Coy, 13 armored cars each (probably 12 39M Csaba + 1 40M Csaba) N.B. only 1Coy deployed to the front
- 15BicycleBtn:
*3 Bicycle coy (12 1931M LMGs, 2 1936M AT rifles, 2 GrThr each)
*1 MG coy (6 MGs)
*1 MotHowBry (4 1940M 105mm howitzer? + 1941M Rába tractor?)
*1 ATCoy (6 40M Nimród self-prop 40mm AT+AA gun)
- 1ArmoredHorseBtn
*2 hvy armored coy (11 41M Turán each)
*2 med armored coy (11 40M Turán each)
*1 mixed armored coy (3 43M Turán + 5 38M Toldi possibly ver. IIA?)
- 1HorseArtySqn (3 bry, 4 guns each)
- 3MotArtySqn (3 bry, 4 105mm howitzer each)
- 55AAASqn
*2 bry, 6 40mm AA gun each
*1 bry, 4 80mm AA gun
- 4MotPioneerCoy
- 1HorseCommoCoy
+supply train

Total: 604 officers, 16292 troops, 11057 horses, 1140 vehicles, including 120 armored.

Later some additional units were attached:
- VII/1 MotMedHowBry (4 150mm howitzers, possibly 1931M)
- 15MotBikeCoy

Bye,
Krisz

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Post by Orlov » 04 Jan 2006 19:37

Dear Hungarist,

These were some model of armour - SPV, tanks, tanquette and armoured car - service in Hungarian 1. Huszár Division

Best regards

Orlov

ps.: I recommended Polish comediodrama directed by Andrzej Munk (classic and distributed in English Subtitles) „EROICA. SYMFONIA BOHATERSKA W DWOCH CZESCIACH" (Eroica. Hero's Symphony in Two Parts) about wartime Poland and short episode with Hungarian soldier 1. Huszár Division (visible only trucks and T-34 as Pz.Kpfw. IV) who stayed at forest near Polish capital at Warsaw's Uprising and communicated to AK. The best is directoral cut - EROICA in THREE PARTS - this is excellent film represent famous Polish School (but very bitter for Poles!). Hungarian are happy and relaxing outside of burning and murdered city... ORDERS IS ORDERS!!!
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Post by Pisti3 » 30 May 2006 09:36

On this map you can see the Huszár hadosztály in defensive positions 02.05.1945 south and west of St.Pölten in Austria.
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Post by corvidae » 11 Nov 2006 08:36

nice pics!

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Post by simondianad » 04 May 2007 19:14

Hi

I am trying to find a platoon of the Hungarian Army that might have a connection to Oradea (Nagyvarad), posibly something to do with a communication (telephone) unit that operated or had it's base in a hospital, same platoon might have later ended up in Budapest, and later as a bicycle platoon ( posibly in a retreated after the Seige of Budapest) in Austria where they were taken by the Americans.
3. Cavalry Regiment
Regimental HQ garrisoned at Nagyvárad, 3./I garrisoned at Nagyvárad, 3./II garrisoned at Munkács

Organisation as above, however one of the 3./I cavalry companies was garrisoned at Nagy-Szalonta
I am wondering if the above quate would be related to the platoon I am searching.

Any information that might point me in the right direction is wellcomed, unfortunatly I do not know any other details and the facts listed above could be the key to my research.

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Re: Let's build: 1. Huszár Division (Hungary)

Post by Alexderome » 04 Feb 2009 22:10

Hardi wrote about an assault with a sword as the Italian Savoia Cavalry, daoes anybody can help me to find more information because i'm a fan of magyar huszard : a book, a link ?
My languages : italian, french, english and magyar (my wife will translate thanks to her)
Thank for your kind help.
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the charge of Huszár

Post by Alexderome » 13 May 2009 20:46

I have red the book of Erich KERN : Der Grosse Rausch, in french : La Dernière Ivresse where this charge is mentionned :
We were petrified. At the order, the huszars attacked, colonel heading,...
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Post by Zoltan » 08 Mar 2012 08:02

hardi wrote:I do not know that do I translate correctly the hungarian "osztály" int the names of artillery units - in german they are "abteilungen".

Cheers,

Janos
My father's old Hungarian dictionary gives the following meanings for osztály: section, class, department, share.

So my guess would be that "department" is the most appropriate as Google translates abteilungen as "department".

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Re: Let's build: 1. Huszár Division (Hungary)

Post by CB1 » 13 Mar 2012 21:26

Hi,

Your father's dictionary is a good one but unfortunately not an adequate one :-)

All the meanings given relate to different civilian aspects of life, whereas in the military jargon "osztály" refers to a unit that comprises multiple companies (i.e. ~ battalion). As far as I know it was used in connection with artillery, cavalry and air force.

Bye,
Krisz

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Re: Let's build: 1. Huszár Division (Hungary)

Post by borsod » 12 Feb 2013 08:41

History of 2. lovas-tüzér osztály in Budapest, 1944-1945:
http://magyarhonved.blogspot.hu/2013/02 ... ezese.html

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Re: Let's build: 1. Huszár Division (Hungary)

Post by IamYourFear » 14 May 2013 09:59

Nice !
I would love to make a Huszár impression one day. Took a "horse-driving" course because of it this summer.
If anyone has any more info about that old style sabre attack in Russia ?

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