Ohrdruf camp and General Eisenhower

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Ohrdruf camp and General Eisenhower

Post by Caldric » 02 Jun 2004 05:51

I was considering all the damning allegations of Eisenhower on the web and was wondering why the man was so hated by a few. Is it because he led the Allies in the Western Front? Or because he hated Nazi's and their atrocities committed during WWII.

That he starved millions of German POW's, a story started by the Barque's(sp) book on German POW's at the end of the war is a hot item but considering that he asked for them to be fed as much as allowed is not in itself evidence of criminal conduct. No doubt there were many Germans who starved and were maltreated at the hands of Americans and French. He did not starve millions of POW's however. He did reclassify them as not POW's which is to some a crime. Many that were close to him describe this not as a punishment for German troops but the only way to feed the masses of Europe after the total collapse. He diverted food away in 1945 so that the people of Europe could eat and there is little doubt he ordered just above starvation rations for the German POW's. Which many commanders including Patton ignored. Was it vengeance for the incredible barbarity of the Germans in WWII or simple necessity of feeding the masses? This can be argued and has been on this forum with lengthy discussion.

However this post is more on the hatred of Eisenhower than his actions post WWII. Sometimes I wonder if people try to discredit him in order to discredit the parts of the holocaust. It seems that some will go to far reaching allegations to discredit what is so obvious. I think Eisenhower seen more then others and was afraid the holocaust would be consider propaganda, which is quote below clearly shows in the forefront of his mind after visiting the camp. It is alive today and there are many who would discredit this man in order to reduce the actions of Nazi Germany to insignificance or worse yet to make it appear as propaganda. The following links are not propaganda but just pure fact. No matter what people may think of Eisenhower there is no doubting the cruelty and crimes of Nazi Germany during WWII. Eisenhower is an easy target to divert attention away from the facts of the holocaust. If you can discredit the man then perhaps the holocaust is all a hoax, I think that is the major point of those who deny the holocaust.

If we draw attention away from the crimes to Eisenhower does that somehow reduce the crimes of Germany in WWII?



General Dwight D. Eisenhower:
The things I saw beggar description...The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were...overpowering...I made the visit deliberately in order to be in a position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to 'propaganda.'




Here is Ike at the concentration camp Ohrdruf being told by prisoners of the atrocities committed.


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The following show the dead of Oshrdruf and in order to follow guidelines of the forum I will only link them. If they are not allowed then the moderators please delete the link.

warning holocaust images.

Dead littering where they were left to die:
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/h ... x/ike1.jpg
The dead are stacked awaiting burial or cremation:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/images ... bodies.jpg
Shack with stacked bodies:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/images ... thshed.jpg
A few executed right before liberation:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/images ... killed.jpg
Awaiting burial after the liberation Germans were forced to bury the dead:
http://simmins.org/Fifth/schwarzenfeld4.JPG
Some of these victims it is alleged were burned alive by German guards inside of a barracks:
http://simmins.org/Fifth/schwabmunchen4.JPG
The man who Colonel Seiller forced to stand amid the bodies of his victims was the commandant of the camp, SS officer Eichelsdoerfer:
http://simmins.org/Fifth/schwabmunchen.gif

That is enough I suppose there are many more links at:
http://simmins.org/Fifth/Ohrdruf.html

Story of an American-German with the 89th ID enters the camp his eyewitness of the atrocities at the camp:
http://www.89infdivww2.org/ohrdruf/gram.htm


Following where used in this post:

http://www.89infdivww2.org
http://simmins.org/Fifth/Ohrdruf.html
http://www.us-israel.org
http://www.historyplace.com

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Post by David Thompson » 02 Jun 2004 06:31

Here is another photograph of General Eisenhower's visit to Ohrdruf; the general officer next to him in the close-up is Omar Bradley.
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Post by Beppo Schmidt » 03 Jun 2004 22:01

Well Eisenhower forbid mistreatment of German POWs, so I don't think he was out to starve them to death. If he had starved millions of German POWs he is a war criminal who escaped due punishment for mass murder, but I personally don't put much credence in Baque and think neo-Nazis just hate Ike because he won the war.
He did reclassify them as not POW's which is to some a crime.
Despite my above defense of General Eisenhower, I will say I don't understand why he did that.
he ordered just above starvation rations for the German POW's. Which many commanders including Patton ignored.
Patton gave German POWs higher rations than Eisenhower ordered? What's your source for that, as if it's true it makes me think higher of Patton.

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Post by Caldric » 03 Jun 2004 23:32

Beppo Schmidt wrote:
he ordered just above starvation rations for the German POW's. Which many commanders including Patton ignored.
Patton gave German POWs higher rations than Eisenhower ordered? What's your source for that, as if it's true it makes me think higher of Patton.
I will get that for you later Beppo I am in not position to do it at the moment.

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Post by Caldric » 04 Jun 2004 05:34

Beppo Schmidt wrote:
he ordered just above starvation rations for the German POW's. Which many commanders including Patton ignored.
Patton gave German POWs higher rations than Eisenhower ordered? What's your source for that, as if it's true it makes me think higher of Patton.
Hello Beppo,

I give you the following link to the following thread. I is over 2 years old but was a great learning experience and well worth readin every page.

However for your information I would suggest starting at page 2 or 3 but if you read the entire thread you will not be at a lost. It was a great thread and had a wealth of information. I did not find the exact area of the general's refusing to carry out the ration order but it is in there somewhere.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... c&start=15

It is an emotional thread so just bear with it. POW was a great knowledge base to this forum however he had a short temper.

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Post by Tracer » 04 May 2005 04:11

hi volks,

This is an old thread on this topic.. and I don't normally post in this subforum.. but I just thought this would be an appropriate place to post these pics.. (well.. links to them anyway..)

I recently came into possesion of some American GI photos from the 4th Armored Division.. and 7 of them were shots of bodies all labled "Ohrdruf, Germany" on the front or back of the pics..

for those that wish to see a small private record of one part of the Holocaust:

http://mpg.cc/meinestoff/4tharmored-at- ... _large.jpg
http://mpg.cc/meinestoff/4tharmored-at- ... _large.jpg
http://mpg.cc/meinestoff/4tharmored-at- ... _large.jpg
http://mpg.cc/meinestoff/4tharmored-at- ... _large.jpg
http://mpg.cc/meinestoff/4tharmored-at- ... _large.jpg
http://mpg.cc/meinestoff/4tharmored-at- ... _large.jpg
http://mpg.cc/meinestoff/4tharmored-at- ... _large.jpg

-Tracer
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Post by David Thompson » 04 May 2005 04:30

Thanks, Tracer, for the links to those photographs of a very grim period of recent history.

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Post by Tracer » 04 May 2005 04:44

You're Welcome David..

( I added 2 more.. turns out there were 7 pics total..)

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Re: Ohrdruf camp and General Eisenhower

Post by Nautilus » 19 Mar 2018 08:33

There has been said (not for 13 years as this thread is old, but for 73 years, since the Generals inspected the camp) that Eisenhower wrote afterwards: "We are told the American soldier does not know what he is fighting for. Now, at least, he will know what he is fighting against." Which for common people indicated a desire for revenge on the German people in general and therefore a motivation for mistreatment.

But this is only for modern people are not too religious, and the majority of ordinary people back in 1945 weren't either. So they don't get the true meaning of the speech. General Eisenhower had been a very religious man throughout his life, with a deep knowledge of the Bible. He actually quoted from Ephesians 6:12: "we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places."

The quote actually meant in the General's eyes the Reich state administration (from the Führer down to the least armed guard) was a monstrosity on par with Satan and the Hell.

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