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Binoculars

Post by Michael Marshall » 09 Jun 2004 02:57

I just got these in I dont have any photos of it. The condition looks to be 3.5/5 maybe 4/5. The mankings on it is RH: Dienstglas 6X30 297826 H/6400 LH: cxn K.F. Cam amy one tell me any thing about it. And also if you look throu it the is a line running at the bottom with numbers running from 40 30 20 10 0 10 20 30 40. cam you also give me any value on it as well. Thanks guys.
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Post by Xavier » 09 Jun 2004 15:04

Hello Michael, please take a look here:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... dienstglas

and for a visual reference (also mentioned in the thread):

http://community.webshots.com/album/137752476VZNyNy

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Post by Michael Marshall » 10 Jun 2004 02:06

I will try later to night to get some photos if it. But can you tell me what the numbers on the bottom mean.
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Post by Panzer37 » 10 Jun 2004 08:09

Hi

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That is the reticle for calculating distance. Each subdivision measures 5 mils. A mil is the distance measured of one meter seen from 1000 meters. In normal view is almost meaningless, the thumb of avergae person is 40 mils. In the bincoculars they are amplified, so it is in this optical device that they find more usefulnes. Usually this type of binoculars was used by Tank commaners and i guess that they were also issued to PzSpahWagen, and othe aufklärung einheiten. I hope i explained it right, is difficult to explain it, specially in a foreign language (to me). Xavier will be of far more help than me. Saludos

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Post by Michael Marshall » 11 Jun 2004 02:10

Well Panzer37 thats for the help. Im just a littel unsure about how it actually works. Here are some photos of it. And the vision is very clear when you look throu it.
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Post by Panzer37 » 11 Jun 2004 07:26

Hi Michael

the binocs look ver good indeed, good shape.

about using the mil system. There is an indispensable condition to proper use of the reticle, and that usually is to know at least one dimension of the objective (lets say a vehicle height, widht or lenght). WW2 tank commanders, artillery spoters and reconaisance troops knew the dimension of almost, if not all vehicles they were facing in combat. For example they see an X vehicle in thru their eyepieces and know it measures in its height 2 meters. They see it also fills 2 mils of the reticle, so they mentally make a division, that is 2 over 2, and then multiply it by 1000, that would be 1000 meters. So, that is what they say to the gunner along with direction (say 1 oclock). lets say, u using your binocs and see a person who measure 1.80 meters high, and it ocupy a full mark in your reticle, that is 5 mils high, so, u divide 1.80 over 5 mils, that would be: 0.36, then multiply by 1000, it would be 360 meters, right? so, one other important skill is being good at numbers, mental calculating, or an aid as a table with ranges and measured distance. I have one developed by the bundeswehr, that i would gladly send or post, or direct you to a good download place if you want. Actually the precision required for the tank commander was not as important as the one performed by the gunner, who had a finer reticle than the commander in his gunner station's visier. The tank visier was amplified to 8X, and the reticle (triangles in German sights) were subdivided in several small triangles (2 mils in its base) and a larger one in the center (4mils a side). You can also find more clear information in the panther of tiger fibel. I think there is one online at panzerdiesel or some site called that way, from Germany.

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I hope i explain it right. saludos

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Post by Michael Marshall » 12 Jun 2004 07:16

Well thanks Panzer37 for all the info. I think I got the jist of it.But thansk for the explination. it makes sense in the way you explained it. Thanks again
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Post by Cid250 » 11 Mar 2005 05:28

Panzer37 wrote: or an aid as a table with ranges and measured distance. I have one developed by the bundeswehr, that i would gladly send or post, or direct you to a good download place if you want.
Saludos.

I'm interested in this table, can you send me a private mensaje?.

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Post by eindhoven » 11 Mar 2005 18:02

This style was more often carried by MG teams, NCOs, or Platoon Leaders in the infantry or infantry support role. The large binos were worn by Panzer crews with the aforementioned different milled reticle. I have a pair of 6X30s myself and they are a great tool for calculating distances out to 1000 meters which is the standard range of engagement for infantry. Really 500 meters or less is best. You can also adjust fire with binos like this one when calling for artillery.

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