12th SS reprisal execution at Ascq - info & links

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12th SS reprisal execution at Ascq - info & links

Post by Rob - wssob2 » 10 Jun 2004 05:33

from the HWC W-SS war crimes sticky:

ASCQ (Near Lille, April 2, 1944) BY HJ
At the end of March, 1944, the 12th SS Panzer Division 'Hitler Jugend' set out on 24 rail trucks for Normandy to cover the coast in anticipation of an Allied landing. The convoy, under the command of SS Obersturmführer Walter Hauck, was approaching the small railway station of Ascq when a violent explosion blew the line apart. Stopping the train, it was found that two flat trucks had been derailed, holding up the whole convoy. Hauck, in a foul mood, ordered his men to search and arrest all male members of the houses on both sides of the track. They were assembled together and marched down the track about 300 yards where each man was shot in the back of the head. Altogether 70 men were shot beside the railway line and another 16 killed in the village itself. After an investigation by the Gestapo, six more men were arrested and charged with planting the bomb. They were all executed by firing squad. When the war ended, a search for the perpetrators was set in motion. Most of the SS men were found in Allied POW camps in Europe and in England. In all, nine SS men stood trial in a French Military Court at Lille. All were sentenced to death, including Hauck. The sentences were later commuted to a period of imprisonment and Walter Hauck was released in July, 1957.


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Issue #49 of After the Battle Magazine has an article “The Ascq Massacre The murder of civilians by 12. SS-Panzer-Division in this Belgian village in March 1944” by Dr Jean-Marie Mocq -see http://www.afterthebattle.com/ab-con1.html

Mocq seems to have expanded the article into a book - see
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... 50-4763032

The town of Ascq has a museum devoted to the incident:
Le Musée du Souvenir FREE
77, rue Mangin / Tel. 33 (0)3 20 91 87 57
The museum pays tribute to the victims of the Ascq Massacre (April 1944) through a collection of pictures, posters and personal effects. 86 people were shot to death by a SS convoy from the Russian front.
see
http://www.yourcounty.co.uk/france/vill ... asque.html
and
http://www.tourisme.fr/office-de-touris ... d-ascq.htm

News article about the 60th anniversary of the incident:
http://fr.news.yahoo.com/040409/226/3qn0x.html

Have any of the forum members visited Ascq and the museum dedicated to the tragic incident?

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Post by Rob - wssob2 » 10 May 2006 04:22

Additional web links about the 12th SS Division's reprisal killings at Ascq: (in French)

http://www.villeneuvedascq.fr/?site=4&rub=4

This section below gives an overview of the incident, a list of the victims, plus information on the postwar trials and includes a bibliography:

http://www.villeneuvedascq.fr/ascq/index.htm

The French version of Wikipedia has a page:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_d'Ascq


Casemate Publishing has published a book about the war crime. Details at

http://www.casematepublishing.com/cgi/t ... 2840480298

I am curious if any forum members have read it and can comment

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Post by Georg_S » 10 May 2006 13:54

wenn all is written in french there isn´t many of us who are able to read it and make a comment.

//Georg

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Post by Reader3000 » 13 Oct 2006 11:38

The book is not by Casemate, but by Editions Heimdal.

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Post by gunslinger » 13 Oct 2006 21:58

Can someone please explain to me why a frence court would turn a death sentence in a 10 years prison time. :?

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Post by Sheldrake » 29 Jan 2016 17:38

gunslinger wrote:Can someone please explain to me why a french court would turn a death sentence in a 10 years prison time. :?
Changing times, and a reflection of the standards of evidence and justice in the immediate post war period.

I have stayed in Asq on several occasions with groups visiting the western front. Its the wrong side of Lille for Ieper or Albert, but the hotels are cheaper. I will check out the museum the next time I am in the area.

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Re: 12th SS reprisal execution at Ascq - info & links

Post by michael mills » 30 Jan 2016 09:49

Also, the French authorities realised that the men who perpetrated the massacre had been provoked, and were not acting purely out of evil intent. 10 years imprisonment for murder with extenuating circumstances is fairly standard nowadays.

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Post by Michael Kenny » 30 Jan 2016 11:05

michael mills wrote:Also, the French authorities realised that the men who perpetrated the massacre had been provoked, and were not acting purely out of evil intent. 10 years imprisonment for murder with extenuating circumstances is fairly standard nowadays.
If I get 'provoked' by my 2 neighbours to the left and then run out and kill 50 of my neighbours to the right, left, front and back how was I being provoked by the majority of my victims? A pig with lipstick is still only a pig.

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Re: 12th SS reprisal execution at Ascq - info & links

Post by seaburn » 31 Jan 2016 00:58

The article above doesn't state the names of those now being sought. The one name of of interest to me personally is that of Leopold Stun who is prominently mentioned in the attached document which was amalgamated from the testimony/statements of POWs in British custody. (source: WO311/691 British National Archives)
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Stun was also a central player in the execution of Canadian prisoners at the Château Audrieu on August 8th 1944. ( See viewtopic.php?f=6&t=214617 for the details.)

His willingness to dispatch captured POWs was spoken about by fellow 12th comrade Karl Becker. It's not known to me personally what happened Stun, if he survived the war, was put on trial or was KIA. However, It seems the Hauck who was the senior Officer present that day was put on trial and found guilty.

The debate about the culpability of subordinates who were under orders, the length of time which has past or the validity of the involvement of partisans in the train derailment is a thorny one indeed. Sadly with many of these 'Iron fist responses' it was very rarely the guilty who suffered the consequences.
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Re: 12th SS reprisal execution at Ascq - info & links

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 01 Feb 2019 18:13

A little more about this atrocity can be seen at this link:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47055729

Is this the correct Hauck?
The National Archives, Kew/UK
ref. WO 208/3592

12. SS-Pz.Div., Normandy, June-???? 1944
nformation from captured POWs: SS-Sturmmann Muntau (SIR 490); SS-Sturmmann Leykauff (SIR 503)

Commander SS-Pz.Flak 12 SS-Stubaf Bremer (now Cmdr either Pz Gr 25 or 26)
Adjutant SS-Pz.Flak 12 SS-Ostuf Redel
Commander 2. Komp. SS-Flak 12 SS-Ostuf Hauck
Commander 3. Komp. SS-Flak 12 SS-Ostuf Keue
Commander 1. Zug/3. Komp. SS-Ustuf. Kalisch
Commander 2. Zug/3. Komp. SS-Ustuf. Liebich
Commander 4. Komp. SS-Flak 12 SS-Ustuf. Deutschle
Commander Versorgungs-Komp. SS-Hstuf. Maier (ex police officer)
Commander Stabs-Komp. SS-Ostuf. Möller
Commander 15. Komp. SS-Pz.Gr.Rgt. 25 SS-Hstuf. von Büttner (killed)
Commander 2. Zug/15. Komp. SS-Ustuf. Fehling
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=86337&p=2149318&hi ... k#p2149318

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Tom

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