a letter from Auschwitz

WRGV · Post by **WRGV** » 24 Jun 2004 00:55

No denial here.Written by an inmate of the infamous block 20 (Mengele,s domain) in 1942.Were all letters censort by the SS or is he lying?

Lucius Felix Silla · Post by **Lucius Felix Silla** » 24 Jun 2004 11:37

WRGV wrote:No denial here.Written by an inmate of the infamous block 20 (Mengele,s domain) in 1942.Were all letters censort by the SS or is he lying?

Another untrue information.
I don't known what contains this letter (You can post the text and translation please?), but surely don't come from Mengele block and dont't have nothing to do with Mengele.

Dr. Mengele joined Auschwitz on May 30 1943 (see H. Kubica, "The Crimes of Josef Mengele", in Anatomy of Auschwitz Death Camp, Indianapolis, 1994, p.319).

The infamous experiments in sect. BIIe and BIIf of Birkenau were conducted in barracks 19, 22, 15 not in barrack 20 (ibidem).

There's incompatibiliy between the history of Auschwitz as top secret killing center and the possibility to send letter outside of Auschwitz!

Best regards

LFS

Toivo · Post by **Toivo** » 24 Jun 2004 14:28

Hmm is this letter something from cathegory like photos floating in internet - "Jews having football match in KZ, "Jews celebrating New Year" "well-fed Jewish prisoners" and whatever else there was?

Cathegory like post-war fakes?

Regards

Lucius Felix Silla · Post by **Lucius Felix Silla** » 24 Jun 2004 15:09

Dear Mr. Toivo,

I don't think that this letter is a fake. Numerous others have been published in various publications. We simply can't interfers nothing because is unreadable.

As far for"Jews having football match in KZ" this is true historical fact. They play football near Krematoria II and III as stated by eyewitnesses and by other sources.

Another evidence which dismiss official thesis that KII and KIII were extermination facilities.

Best Regards

LFS

Toivo · Post by **Toivo** » 24 Jun 2004 15:14

Thanks for information.

I never take nothing as impossible unless it's obviously fabricated. Football match was typical to many prison camps, POWs vs Germans or between themselves, however if it was late war when all prisoners should have been starved I got suspicious. Was it around 1940 then? Because otherwise indeed they could have not been in bad condition.

Regards

yerbamatt · Post by **yerbamatt** » 26 Jun 2004 15:01

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to refresh my German and decypher all words - here's a rough translation of the above letter, addressed to a certain Sophie Patzer in Warsaw and sent by an inmate(?) Thaddeus Patzer:

"My dear,

I'm sick a little at the moment and thank you for your last letter. It's not that bad, just diarrhea and fever. After all I'm all right and food is good here in the hospital. Dr. Vetter and Dr. Neugilz take very good care of us here. I don't need to work at the moment - I gotta do some walking. I'm recovering and today my stomach is better. Please, great all neighbours and friends. All will end well soon. Don't worry - I'm waiting for your next letter.

Your Thaddie"

No comments.

Regards...

yerbamatt · Post by **yerbamatt** » 26 Jun 2004 16:28

... and how doctors really "took care" in that camp , search the net for the above Dr. HELMUT VETTER , called a beast of Auschwitz:

http://www.cbgnetwork.org/Ubersicht/Zei ... etter.html

(this one in German only)

By the way - Bayer Gmbh (yes - this one, an Aspirin maker!), Dr. Vetter's WWII employer paid millions to former "patients" for all that "care" they enjoyed in Auschwitz.

Again - no further comments...

David Thompson · Post by **David Thompson** » 26 Jun 2004 17:03

LFS said:

As far for"Jews having football match in KZ" this is true historical fact. They play football near Krematoria II and III as stated by eyewitnesses and by other sources.

Another evidence which dismiss official thesis that KII and KIII were extermination facilities.

Of course! -- and the true historical fact that USAAF soldiers played baseball on Tinian is another evidence which disproves the official thesis that there were atomic bombs.

Helly Angel · Post by **Helly Angel** » 26 Jun 2004 23:27

Lucius Felix Silla wrote:
As far for"Jews having football match in KZ" this is true historical fact. They play football near Krematoria II and III as stated by eyewitnesses and by other sources.

Another evidence which dismiss official thesis that KII and KIII were extermination facilities.

LFS

****

This is just a reminder that holocaust denial is not tolerated here, as you all should know by now.

Three main reasons for the decision not to allow holocaust denial here are:
1. Holocaust denial is an insult to those that suffered and died
2. Allowing holocaust denial will scare away many of the regular posters, both those that find it generally offensive and those that do not in any way wish to be connected with such crap. I've seen it happen in many forums, more deniers & neonazis begin frequenting the forum and less of those that are non-deniers or not interested in that discussion at all will frequent the forum, eventually bringing down the forum. We've even seen it begin to happen in this very forum at a time when I was too relaxed in enforcing the rules.
3. Allowing holocaust denial would make it (even) harder to make people understand that this is an apolitical forum, not a pro-nazi or denier forum.

The rules of this forum regarding holocaust denial also apply, for example, to the mass murders of Armenians during WWI, and the interwar famine in the Ukraine. It is permissible to question whether these and similar events were the result of a deliberate government policy, and legitimate questions may be raised about the veracity of individual witnesses or their motives, individual items of evidence, or matters of interpretation of policy, but it is not permissible to deny that the events occurred.

And as I've stated many times before, this decision is not open for discussion.

/Marcus

Moderator,

Always I have believed that this is a serious section for historic investigation. Forums as those of CODOH can be interesting for the ones that posted fool thinkg negationist, not here.

To when we have to bear to the deniers as LFS in this forum?

Is just a Question.

Lucius Felix Silla · Post by **Lucius Felix Silla** » 27 Jun 2004 11:25

Helly Angel wrote:
Lucius Felix Silla wrote:
As far for"Jews having football match in KZ" this is true historical fact. They play football near Krematoria II and III as stated by eyewitnesses and by other sources.

Another evidence which dismiss official thesis that KII and KIII were extermination facilities.

LFS

****

This is just a reminder that holocaust denial is not tolerated here, as you all should know by now.

Three main reasons for the decision not to allow holocaust denial here are:
1. Holocaust denial is an insult to those that suffered and died
2. Allowing holocaust denial will scare away many of the regular posters, both those that find it generally offensive and those that do not in any way wish to be connected with such crap. I've seen it happen in many forums, more deniers & neonazis begin frequenting the forum and less of those that are non-deniers or not interested in that discussion at all will frequent the forum, eventually bringing down the forum. We've even seen it begin to happen in this very forum at a time when I was too relaxed in enforcing the rules.
3. Allowing holocaust denial would make it (even) harder to make people understand that this is an apolitical forum, not a pro-nazi or denier forum.

The rules of this forum regarding holocaust denial also apply, for example, to the mass murders of Armenians during WWI, and the interwar famine in the Ukraine. It is permissible to question whether these and similar events were the result of a deliberate government policy, and legitimate questions may be raised about the veracity of individual witnesses or their motives, individual items of evidence, or matters of interpretation of policy, but it is not permissible to deny that the events occurred.

And as I've stated many times before, this decision is not open for discussion.

/Marcus
Moderator,

Always I have believed that this is a serious section for historic investigation. Forums as those of CODOH can be interesting for the ones that posted fool thinkg negationist, not here.

To when we have to bear to the deniers as LFS in this forum?

Is just a Question.

Dear Mr. Helly Angel,

You can, obviously, agree with mine personal conclusions or not. But accuse me of foolish or lack of serious investigation, it's a riducolous claim. Very few person on this forum have posted so much material, primary sources translated, documents of any species, opinions of various researchers (almost exclusively antirevisionistic) as me.

If my opinions are really foolish or without any evidence, i don't see the problem: dismiss my opinions with contrary proofs or show my errors. For example Mr. xcalibur have proved one my error as for Natzweiler-Struthof thread. It's a free discussion, np for me a different serious opinion.
As for the rules of Forum, i'm not the administrator or moderator to judge, but i think that i don't have in anyway break the guidelines: in this specific topic and in other threads - but at this point i have some doubts that You have ever read my posts - i have expressed my contrary conclusions to the existence of homicidal gas chambers in Krematorium II and III in Birkenau.

Best Regards

LFS

DrG · Post by **DrG** » 27 Jun 2004 16:19

Helly Angel wrote:To when we have to bear to the deniers as LFS in this forum?

Quo usque tandem abutere, Inferne Angele, patientia nostra? Tu enim Hispanica lingua insultaveras aliquem socium huius fori (hic: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=52408), sed moderator te non reprehendit. Et nunc poenam contra Lucium Felicem Sillam requiris?

David Thompson · Post by **David Thompson** » 27 Jun 2004 16:42

DrG -- Please post an English translation for our readers who do not have an education in Latin.

Lucius Felix Silla · Post by **Lucius Felix Silla** » 27 Jun 2004 16:51

Dear Mr. David Thompson,

If Mr DrG must translate his opinion from latin, which don't contains none insult, same for Mr. Holly Angel at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=52408
which is full of insults.

Two ways, two measures?

Best Regards

LFS

DrG · Post by **DrG** » 27 Jun 2004 16:51

I know that it's a rule of this forum to write in English, I posted in Latin for two reasons:
- because Helly Angel's post resembled the incipit of Cicero's "Contra Catilinam" (that I have "plagiarized" in my first sentence).
- because he was the first who, in the thread that I have linked, didn't write in English, also writing a rather insulting post, and no moderator asked him to write in English nor to excuse himself for what he wrote.

Nevertheless, this is the translation of my post:
"How long, Helly Angel, will you abuse of our patience? In fact you have insulted a member of this forum in Spanish language (here: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=52408) but the moderator didn't condemn you. And now you ask a punishment against Lucius Felix Silla?"

Lucius Felix Silla · Post by **Lucius Felix Silla** » 27 Jun 2004 17:39

David Thompson wrote:LFS said:
As far for"Jews having football match in KZ" this is true historical fact. They play football near Krematoria II and III as stated by eyewitnesses and by other sources.

Another evidence which dismiss official thesis that KII and KIII were extermination facilities.

Of course! -- and the true historical fact that USAAF soldiers played baseball on Tinian is another evidence which disproves the official thesis that there were atomic bombs.

Mr. David Thompson,

I don't see the pertinence of Your logic. Nothing of new: when i posted 7 (SEVEN) german contemporaneous documents from Auschwitz, with the word vergasung (raum,keller):"fumigation or gassing delousing operation, disinfestation chamber"....You reply with a page of one vocabulary german-english of 1939 to show that the word vergasung signify "homicidal gassing" (sic), whereas the various meaning of the word vergasungskeller in the vocabulary don't contains any reference to the act of killing nobody!

As for the question of football plays near the KII and KIII (attested by various eyewitnesses, most notably Hermann Langbein) this question deserves much more attention than You can believe.

Near the crematory area there is a large rectangular zone designated "B II f" on the maps. The left part contains a sports field and the right part
contains a hospital for men. The sports area and the hospital were for the use of inmates, Jews and non-Jews alike. Their existence was completely normal. The line separating the sports field and the garden of crematory III was marked only by a simple barbed wire fence which could not conceal any part of the crematory from the view of players or
spectators. But the existence of a sports area and a hospital designated for the use of inmates is not consistent with the thesis that the camp was an "extermination" camp.

In particular, how do we explain that the SS permitted crowds of inmates to have a direct view of a crematory where supposedly ultra-secret events transpired and near which, we are told, thousands of victims were crowded every day?

The Auschwitz Museum (ex?)communist authority was so preoccupied for this logic incompatibility between extermination and recreation activity for inmates that after the exact representation of Sector B II f showed in Hefte von Auschwitz, No. 15, Verlag Staatliches Auschwitz-Museum, 1975 (outside the text, between pages 56 and 57: where the sports area is called Sportplatz and the hospital area is called Krankenbaulager für Männer) have censored and replaced with plans of the camp without any other mention to hospital or places for sport!

Best Regards

LFS

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