Kampfgruppe Fegelein

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Kampfgruppe Fegelein

Post by Simon V. » 28 Jun 2004 19:05

Hi,

I'm looking for information about Kampfgruppe Fegelein for the period 4-10 February 1943. Especially if units were attached to other units and in which area they were in combat.

Many thanks in advance
Simon

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Post by Mark V. » 30 Jun 2004 09:06

KG Fegelein (reinforced II./Pol.Inf.Rgt.3):

Commanders:
SS-Oberf. Fegelein (December 1942–25.12.1942)
SS-Hstuf. Liecke (25.12.1942-January 1943)
SS-Staf Dörfler-Schuband (January 1943-Feb.1943)

Composition (December 1942):
-Stab of former SS-Kav.Brig. including two stugs;
-II./Pol.Inf.Rgt.3 (mot.) -> SS-Polizei Division;
-sFH battery - equipped with french artillery pieces;
-elements of II./Pz.Art.Rgt.127 -> 27.Pz.Div.;
-elements of Fhr.Flak.Rgt. (mot. Z.) - equipped with 8,8 & 2 cm guns);
-remenants of Pol.Rgt.15 (Hptm.d.Schp. Sauer) with two Italian tanks.

But by 4 February the remanants of KG were, in Kiew, already loaded on trains for Germany.

hope it helps,
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Post by Mark V. » 30 Jun 2004 14:50

...and stugs were from SS-Stug.Bttr.6.

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Post by Abel Ravasz » 30 Jun 2004 15:10

Mark,

I think that SS Pol Pz Kp 3 was also part of the unit. Am I mistaken?

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Post by Mark V. » 30 Jun 2004 15:20

I guess these were the (italian??) tanks with Pol.Rgt.15 :roll: .

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Post by Simon V. » 30 Jun 2004 16:14

Hi Mark V,

Thanks for the usefull information. If the KG was already pulled out by the 6th of February, then I have found some parts (in strenght of 16 men) that were still in the Don Area around the 5th! Interesting.
What is the source for your information?

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Post by Lipton » 30 Jun 2004 18:04

From what I know this Kampfgruppe was attached to 275. Infanterie Division in September 1944 and fought in the battle of Hürtgen forest for over 4 months.
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Post by Mark V. » 30 Jun 2004 18:46

Simon V. wrote:Thanks for the usefull information. If the KG was already pulled out by the 6th of February, then I have found some parts (in strenght of 16 men) that were still in the Don Area around the 5th! Interesting.
What is the source for your information?


Interestingly, Liecke even complained about his soldiers, previously reported as missing, being employed in the front line by some other (unnamed) units.

Sources:
Husemann: Die guten Glaubens waren. Band II;
Stoves: Die 22./25./27.Pz.-Div. und die 233.Res.-Pz.-Div.

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Post by Mark V. » 30 Jun 2004 18:47

Lipton wrote:From what I know this Kampfgruppe was attached to 89. Infanterie Division in September 1944 and fought in the battle of Hürtgen forest for over 4 months.


No, it must be a different one.

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Post by Lipton » 30 Jun 2004 19:32

Mark V. wrote:
Lipton wrote:From what I know this Kampfgruppe was attached to 89. Infanterie Division in September 1944 and fought in the battle of Hürtgen forest for over 4 months.


No, it must be a different one.


http://www.hurtgen1944.homestead.com/27 ... iealt.html

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Post by Simon V. » 30 Jun 2004 23:24

Hi Lipton,

I asked for KG Fegelein, not Kampfgruppe Wegelein :) Anyway thanks for taking a look!

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Simon

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Post by Abel Ravasz » 01 Jul 2004 00:12

Hi,

as far as I know Pol Pz Kp 3 employed Steyrs and French R35s. Maybe the Italian tanks were stragglers of some Italian tank unit?

Best,

Abel

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Post by Rob - wssob2 » 01 Jul 2004 01:13

January 1943: Operates under 9th Army, 2nd Panzer Army, stationed Bilo Gora. Participated in antipartisan operations in 300-sq.-km area Baturino-Soino.
Jan 25: Division elements participate in Operation "Sternlauf" against partisans near Timochino.
Jan 30: Partisans mount strong counterattacks against division


February 1943: Feb 8: Operation "Sternlauf" ends. Division claims 1,882 partisans killed and 1,067 captured, but division suffers from inexperienced (and incompetent) officers making bad tactical decisions. SS-Unterscharführer Albert Schwenn, member of a machine gun squad of the 5th Squadron, SS-Reiter Regt. 1, recounted how his senior officers placed the unit's 4 machine gun teams on the front side of a hill. Predictably, the Soviets pounded the MG positions. Schwenn was the only survivor.
Feb 15: Soviets attack Second Panzer Army
Feb 17: SS-Kampfgruppe "Z" orders to reinforce Second Panzer Army lines
Feb 24: SS-Kampfgruppe "Z" assigned to XLVII Panzerkorps

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Post by Mark V. » 01 Jul 2004 15:36

Abel, the KG composition is based on Liecke's recollections (and some additional info from 27.Panzer KTB) so those tanks could have easilly been italian or indeed french :) .

Rob, this KG fought with Heeresgruppe B (FM von Weichs) in the southern part of the Eastern front - NE of Kharkov and wasn't part of the SS-Kav.Div.

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Post by Camp Upshur » 01 Jul 2004 16:52

Mark V. and all:

I too have been somewhat confused as too this unit, its origin/composition and record/area of deployment. The name KG Fegelein can be a red herring leading one to look the 8th SS Kav Div, which apparently it has no connection.

KG Fegelein's last CO, Werner Dorffler-Schuband , has been researched on this forum as MFB (?) SS Inf Rg 8 25.8.42-1.3.43 and MFB KG Fegelein 24.12.42-1.3.43.

Interestingly, SS Inf 8 is not listed ,thus far, as an organic component of KG Fegelein. Anyone know about SS Inf 8 during this period ? or of Dorffler-Schuband's leadership abilities...how did KG Feglelein perform in this period?

This was Dorffler-Schuband's sole combat tour. An academician-administrator (or perhaps crony) he returned a high staff position at AMT XI (officer training) and another tour as CO JS Tolz. After capture he wrote a detailed report for the US Army concerning officer training. Died 1959, buried Bad Tolz. Again very little thus far has surfaced regarding his performance in the field.

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