Kampfgruppe Fegelein
Kampfgruppe Fegelein
Hi,
I'm looking for information about Kampfgruppe Fegelein for the period 4-10 February 1943. Especially if units were attached to other units and in which area they were in combat.
Many thanks in advance
Simon
I'm looking for information about Kampfgruppe Fegelein for the period 4-10 February 1943. Especially if units were attached to other units and in which area they were in combat.
Many thanks in advance
Simon
KG Fegelein (reinforced II./Pol.Inf.Rgt.3):
Commanders:
SS-Oberf. Fegelein (December 1942–25.12.1942)
SS-Hstuf. Liecke (25.12.1942-January 1943)
SS-Staf Dörfler-Schuband (January 1943-Feb.1943)
Composition (December 1942):
-Stab of former SS-Kav.Brig. including two stugs;
-II./Pol.Inf.Rgt.3 (mot.) -> SS-Polizei Division;
-sFH battery - equipped with french artillery pieces;
-elements of II./Pz.Art.Rgt.127 -> 27.Pz.Div.;
-elements of Fhr.Flak.Rgt. (mot. Z.) - equipped with 8,8 & 2 cm guns);
-remenants of Pol.Rgt.15 (Hptm.d.Schp. Sauer) with two Italian tanks.
But by 4 February the remanants of KG were, in Kiew, already loaded on trains for Germany.
hope it helps,
Mark
Commanders:
SS-Oberf. Fegelein (December 1942–25.12.1942)
SS-Hstuf. Liecke (25.12.1942-January 1943)
SS-Staf Dörfler-Schuband (January 1943-Feb.1943)
Composition (December 1942):
-Stab of former SS-Kav.Brig. including two stugs;
-II./Pol.Inf.Rgt.3 (mot.) -> SS-Polizei Division;
-sFH battery - equipped with french artillery pieces;
-elements of II./Pz.Art.Rgt.127 -> 27.Pz.Div.;
-elements of Fhr.Flak.Rgt. (mot. Z.) - equipped with 8,8 & 2 cm guns);
-remenants of Pol.Rgt.15 (Hptm.d.Schp. Sauer) with two Italian tanks.
But by 4 February the remanants of KG were, in Kiew, already loaded on trains for Germany.
hope it helps,
Mark
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Interestingly, Liecke even complained about his soldiers, previously reported as missing, being employed in the front line by some other (unnamed) units.Simon V. wrote: Thanks for the usefull information. If the KG was already pulled out by the 6th of February, then I have found some parts (in strenght of 16 men) that were still in the Don Area around the 5th! Interesting.
What is the source for your information?
Sources:
Husemann: Die guten Glaubens waren. Band II;
Stoves: Die 22./25./27.Pz.-Div. und die 233.Res.-Pz.-Div.
http://www.hurtgen1944.homestead.com/27 ... iealt.htmlMark V. wrote:No, it must be a different one.Lipton wrote:From what I know this Kampfgruppe was attached to 89. Infanterie Division in September 1944 and fought in the battle of Hürtgen forest for over 4 months.
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January 1943: Operates under 9th Army, 2nd Panzer Army, stationed Bilo Gora. Participated in antipartisan operations in 300-sq.-km area Baturino-Soino.
Jan 25: Division elements participate in Operation "Sternlauf" against partisans near Timochino.
Jan 30: Partisans mount strong counterattacks against division
February 1943: Feb 8: Operation "Sternlauf" ends. Division claims 1,882 partisans killed and 1,067 captured, but division suffers from inexperienced (and incompetent) officers making bad tactical decisions. SS-Unterscharführer Albert Schwenn, member of a machine gun squad of the 5th Squadron, SS-Reiter Regt. 1, recounted how his senior officers placed the unit's 4 machine gun teams on the front side of a hill. Predictably, the Soviets pounded the MG positions. Schwenn was the only survivor.
Feb 15: Soviets attack Second Panzer Army
Feb 17: SS-Kampfgruppe "Z" orders to reinforce Second Panzer Army lines
Feb 24: SS-Kampfgruppe "Z" assigned to XLVII Panzerkorps
Jan 25: Division elements participate in Operation "Sternlauf" against partisans near Timochino.
Jan 30: Partisans mount strong counterattacks against division
February 1943: Feb 8: Operation "Sternlauf" ends. Division claims 1,882 partisans killed and 1,067 captured, but division suffers from inexperienced (and incompetent) officers making bad tactical decisions. SS-Unterscharführer Albert Schwenn, member of a machine gun squad of the 5th Squadron, SS-Reiter Regt. 1, recounted how his senior officers placed the unit's 4 machine gun teams on the front side of a hill. Predictably, the Soviets pounded the MG positions. Schwenn was the only survivor.
Feb 15: Soviets attack Second Panzer Army
Feb 17: SS-Kampfgruppe "Z" orders to reinforce Second Panzer Army lines
Feb 24: SS-Kampfgruppe "Z" assigned to XLVII Panzerkorps
Abel, the KG composition is based on Liecke's recollections (and some additional info from 27.Panzer KTB) so those tanks could have easilly been italian or indeed french .
Rob, this KG fought with Heeresgruppe B (FM von Weichs) in the southern part of the Eastern front - NE of Kharkov and wasn't part of the SS-Kav.Div.
cheers
Mark
Rob, this KG fought with Heeresgruppe B (FM von Weichs) in the southern part of the Eastern front - NE of Kharkov and wasn't part of the SS-Kav.Div.
cheers
Mark
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Mark V. and all:
I too have been somewhat confused as too this unit, its origin/composition and record/area of deployment. The name KG Fegelein can be a red herring leading one to look the 8th SS Kav Div, which apparently it has no connection.
KG Fegelein's last CO, Werner Dorffler-Schuband , has been researched on this forum as MFB (?) SS Inf Rg 8 25.8.42-1.3.43 and MFB KG Fegelein 24.12.42-1.3.43.
Interestingly, SS Inf 8 is not listed ,thus far, as an organic component of KG Fegelein. Anyone know about SS Inf 8 during this period ? or of Dorffler-Schuband's leadership abilities...how did KG Feglelein perform in this period?
This was Dorffler-Schuband's sole combat tour. An academician-administrator (or perhaps crony) he returned a high staff position at AMT XI (officer training) and another tour as CO JS Tolz. After capture he wrote a detailed report for the US Army concerning officer training. Died 1959, buried Bad Tolz. Again very little thus far has surfaced regarding his performance in the field.
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I too have been somewhat confused as too this unit, its origin/composition and record/area of deployment. The name KG Fegelein can be a red herring leading one to look the 8th SS Kav Div, which apparently it has no connection.
KG Fegelein's last CO, Werner Dorffler-Schuband , has been researched on this forum as MFB (?) SS Inf Rg 8 25.8.42-1.3.43 and MFB KG Fegelein 24.12.42-1.3.43.
Interestingly, SS Inf 8 is not listed ,thus far, as an organic component of KG Fegelein. Anyone know about SS Inf 8 during this period ? or of Dorffler-Schuband's leadership abilities...how did KG Feglelein perform in this period?
This was Dorffler-Schuband's sole combat tour. An academician-administrator (or perhaps crony) he returned a high staff position at AMT XI (officer training) and another tour as CO JS Tolz. After capture he wrote a detailed report for the US Army concerning officer training. Died 1959, buried Bad Tolz. Again very little thus far has surfaced regarding his performance in the field.
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