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Lessons of Hiroshima

Post by Aleksei2 » 07 Aug 2002 17:37

Hello, All

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Aug. 6, 01:00 EDT
Lessons of Hiroshima
Using nuclear bombs on Japan was a political, not military, decision
Kevin Black
IT HAS BEEN observed so often that truth is the first casualty of war that it is now a banal remark rather than an insightful critical comment. However, of greater
consequence than the death of truth is the surrender of critical thinking.

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The story of a million American lives (and many more Japanese lives) saved by the A-bombs was a complete fabrication designed to eliminate public criticism of
the president's decision.

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Post by Senna » 07 Aug 2002 17:57

You have told the truth. I have created an own thread yesterday, which deals with this topic. Surprisingly no one replied...

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Post by Caldric » 07 Aug 2002 18:58

No one reply because it has been debated into numbness.

The lesson learned should be to not start a war of aggression against a Nation you know is going to destroy you.

And who the hell is Kevin Black? And who cares.




"My god what have we done"

Captain Robert Lewis, co-pilot of the Enola Gay

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Post by Victor´s Justice? » 08 Aug 2002 04:18

Caldric wrote:No one reply because it has been debated into numbness.

The lesson learned should be to not start a war of aggression against a Nation you know is going to destroy you.

And who the hell is Kevin Black? And who cares.




"My god what have we done"

Captain Robert Lewis, co-pilot of the Enola Gay


Translating Caldric, "don´t mess with us the US, we are the best and most powerful, and can justify any of our actions based on our own mindless reasons."

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Post by Dan W. » 08 Aug 2002 04:34

You idiots who have the audacity to question the use of nuclear weapons must have an axe to grind. And are clueless as to the defensive capacity of the Japanese. They had almost 5000 kamikaze aircraft hidden and ready for use. It did not take much practice to train a pilot to fly into a landing craft of bas of operations. There were three lines of defense and many Allied Generals were shocked to discover these defenses were much more elaborate than previously estimated. If the lessons of Okinawa were realized than they were applied with extreme zeal to the home island. The more experienced troops with combat experience were the third line of defense, and if this was to be penetrated then women and children were trained to use sharpened sticks and whatever handgrenades could be utilized. It was going to be a mass suicide of staggering proportions. The Japanese were clearly prepared to make this a pyrrhic victory.

So don't give me your self-righteous crap about how this was all a cover-up and we could have walked into Japan with little resistance and low casualties. You who believe such things are the same ones who believe Saddam is really a good guy at heart and radical Islam is just misunderstood by the West.

You folks are your own worst enemy....

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Post by Mike R » 08 Aug 2002 04:40

Bravo Dan!

-Mike

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Post by Caldric » 08 Aug 2002 04:51

Translating Caldric, "don´t mess with us the US, we are the best and most powerful, and can justify any of our actions based on our own mindless reasons."


Wow that is an interesting translation. Although limited, and typical of the Ameriphobian's.

I think Dan's translation was a bit better though go read it. And if you think that route was bad, consider the use of blockade of Japan, and what it would be like.

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Post by Dan W. » 08 Aug 2002 05:08

Caldric, your right, there was already an acute shortage of food on the island. A complete naval blockade of the island would have lasted between an estimated 8 months to two years with no guarantee of capitualtion. It would have resulted in possibly over one million deaths from starvation not to mention Allied casualties from suicide attacks.

It is also estimated that there were 3,900 confirmed reports of kamikaze attacks during the entire course of the war. The Japanese, it was later discovered, had around 5000 kamikaze aircraft ready for use.

If hard facts and dry analysis is what your after in regards to this subject check out: "Downfall" by Richard B. Frank. An exhaustive look at the facts and figures, along with the estimated casualties of an invasion of both Japanese and Allied troops.

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Post by Senna » 08 Aug 2002 11:52

Caldric wrote:No one reply because it has been debated into numbness.

The lesson learned should be to not start a war of aggression against a Nation you know is going to destroy you.

And who the hell is Kevin Black? And who cares.




"My god what have we done"

Captain Robert Lewis, co-pilot of the Enola Gay



I have rarely read such ignorant and arrogant nonsense, written by only one person. Tell me what justifies the killing of more then 300.000 people after the victory was confident? Nothing. Sorry to say so, but you seem to be a very dumb person.

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......... Again ........

Post by Aleksei2 » 08 Aug 2002 13:06

[quote="Caldric"]

And who the hell is Kevin Black? And who cares.


Hello,

I think that you need to read this extract.


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The Joint Chiefs of Staff and every other high military official, as well as all Truman's key advisers, save one, were against the use of the A-bombs against the
Japanese. Many were particularly concerned about the impact to America's moral stature for using bombs that they considered barbaric, especially upon a nation
that they knew was beaten. After all, the U.S. military had already gained complete domination of Japanese airspace and waterways. They were simply waiting
for the terms of surrender to be formulated between the U.S. and Japanese governments.



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Truman repeatedly delayed acceptance of the Japanese government's conditional surrender attempts until after both types of A-bomb had been used.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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Re: ......... Again by the way ........

Post by Aleksei2 » 08 Aug 2002 13:53

Hello,

By the way - does anybody knows names (photo + ) of Truman's Joint Chiefs of Staff and high military official whom was for and against this action (A-bombing)?\


Thank you.

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Post by Aleksei2 » 08 Aug 2002 15:04

Hello,

please,ask "hot estonian gays" to translate this topic or
READ it in russian here : -

http://web.referent.ru:2003/nvk/forum/0/co/344677.htm

Good Luck.



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Post by Caldric » 08 Aug 2002 20:12

I have rarely read such ignorant and arrogant nonsense, written by only one person. Tell me what justifies the killing of more then 300.000 people after the victory was confident? Nothing. Sorry to say so, but you seem to be a very dumb person.


Of course I am arrogant and dumb, I mean hell I am arguing with you right?

What justifies killing 300,000? Saving 10,000 of your own or more.

And a Russian preaching about War Crimes! :roll:

Perhaps you should try to understand your own nations crimes first?

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Post by Dan W. » 08 Aug 2002 21:13

The Joint Chiefs of Staff and every other high military official, as well as all Truman's key advisers, save one, were against the use of the A-bombs against the
Japanese. Many were particularly concerned about the impact to America's moral stature for using bombs that they considered barbaric, especially upon a nation
that they knew was beaten. After all, the U.S. military had already gained complete domination of Japanese airspace and waterways. They were simply waiting
for the terms of surrender to be formulated between the U.S. and Japanese governments.



There were some opposed to the dropping of the A-bomb. But the estimated casualties of an invasion quieted even the most ardent critics. Your assumption that everyone but one man was opposed to the use of nuclear weapons makes about as much sense as the rest of your babblings.

Medical authorities under MacArthur, projecting from Luzon figures, calculated "Olympic" casualties (the proposed land invasion) at 394,859 over 120 days, of which 125,935 would be battlefield casualties"

Also, one of Gen. Stimson's aides, Edward L. Bowles, commissioned a scientist, W.B. Shockley, to estimate the "blood" price of a land invasion against a Japanese nation not willing to capitulate.
Shockley reported that defeating Japan would cost the Japanese 5 to 10 million deaths and the United States between 1.7 and 4 million casualties, including 400,000 to 800,000 fatalities...

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Post by Mike R » 08 Aug 2002 22:25

especially upon a nation
that they knew was beaten.

Problem is, the Japanese didn't think they were beaten.

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