Cossacks Crime

Retro · Post by **Retro** » 01 Sep 2004 14:56

I’m looking for any information about war crime made by 1’st Cossacks Cavalry Division, XV Cossacks Cavalry Corps and regiments from Marching Ataman (Domanov) Camp

Askold · Post by **Askold** » 01 Sep 2004 16:54

I think the Cossacks were used in anti-partizan actions in Yugoslavia - you might want to start looking there.

Larry D. · Post by **Larry D.** » 01 Sep 2004 23:15

The Yugoslav postwar literature and the surviving German records of the various commands stationed in Croatia and BiH are full of reports on war crimes committed by the Cossacks, especially from November 1943 through spring 1944. So many of them victimized loyal Croatian citizens that the NDH government had to appeal to the Germans and ask that they be immediately stopped and the perpetrators punished. Rape and the pillaging of villages were the main ones, while the grisly execution of partisan prisoners also occurred.

Aleksei22 · Post by **Aleksei22** » 02 Sep 2004 14:06

Larry D. wrote:The Yugoslav postwar literature and the surviving German records of the various commands stationed in Croatia and BiH are full of reports on war crimes committed by the Cossacks, especially from November 1943 through spring 1944. So many of them victimized loyal Croatian citizens that the NDH government had to appeal to the Germans and ask that they be immediately stopped and the perpetrators punished. Rape and the pillaging of villages were the main ones, while the grisly execution of partisan prisoners also occurred.

Hello, Larry D.

It seems to me that those Rape and the pillaging of villages were the main ones, while the grisly execution of partisan prisoners also occurred - are traditional examples of well-known western myphology.

I am sure you know that most part of so called Coossacks ( Kazaki - in Russian ) were merried ( in Russia ) and had own wife and childrens within them.

i'll try to inspect books related to Kazaki-traitorships next a day.

Thank you.

Larry D. · Post by **Larry D.** » 02 Sep 2004 15:00

That's great, Aleksei22, I'm sure the German documents, the Croatian NDH government documents and the postwar Yugoslav Tito government documents are a pack of lies and have it all wrong. You just can't trust those fascists and communists. The truth of the matter is that the wonderful Cossacks were all good guys who handed out chocolate and bananas and were loved by everyone. After the war they were all spirited off to America and Canada to live happily ever after. If that's what you want to believe, be my guest.

Aleksei22 · Post by **Aleksei22** » 02 Sep 2004 17:08

Larry D. wrote:That's great, Aleksei22, I'm sure the German documents, the Croatian NDH government documents and the postwar Yugoslav Tito government documents are a pack of lies and have it all wrong. You just can't trust those fascists and communists.

Hello, Larry D.

May i see those documents ???

Larry D. wrote: The truth of the matter is that the wonderful Cossacks were all good guys who handed out chocolate and bananas and were loved by everyone.

That's your statement. Isnt ???

Larry D. wrote: After the war they were all spirited off to America and Canada to live happily ever after. If that's what you want to believe, be my guest.

If i am not mistaken i have a translated book ( from american collection of cossack's memoirs ). So it would be quite interesting to copare ....

Thank you.

BTW. 5 or 6 years ago one french lady tride to prove me that french soliders never raped even ONE german weemen at all .... because they were (french soliders) cool, galant, willingfull ..... etc. But someone german lady helped me - describing her grandma WW2 stories in french and yankee oc. zone.

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Larry D. · Post by **Larry D.** » 02 Sep 2004 17:40

Aleksei - Here's where to find said documentation:

- in the records of Gen. Glaise von Horstenau, the German Bevollmachtigter General in Kroatien (NARA WashDC: RG 242/Microcopy T-501 - about 23 rolls of 35mm microfilm);
- in the records of Gesandter Siegfried Kasche, German ambassador in Kroatien (NARA WashDC: RG 242/Microcopy T-120 - about 40 rolls of 35 mm microfilm);
- Arhiv Hrvatska, Savka Cesta, Zagreb (ask the director for the files concerning Cossack war crimes in Hrvatska);
- Arhiv Vojnoistorisjki Institut (AVII), Beograd (ask the director for the files concerning Cossack war crimes in Hrvatska);
- U.S. War Crimes Case VII (Southeast or Hostage Case) trial transcripts, prosecution evidence and defendant evidence, Nürnberg and Munich, 1947-48 (this case contains pages of eyewitness testimony and documents, part of which attests to Cossack war crimes in Croatia).

I direct you to these sources so you can do your own research. I do NOT collect documents concerning Cossack war crimes. I saw all of these documents 15 to 20 years ago while researching war crimes in Yugoslavia in behalf of the attorneys defending Dr. Andrija Artukovic, Dr. Kurt Waldheim and several other individuals who had been indicted by the U.S. Department of Justice. I did it professionally. I am 66-years-old and I would not lie to you, Aleksei. The documents are there. Many of them.

Good luck.

Aleksei22 · Post by **Aleksei22** » 02 Sep 2004 18:36

Larry D. wrote:Aleksei - Here's where to find said documentation:

- in the records of Gen. Glaise von Horstenau, the German Bevollmachtigter General in Kroatien (NARA WashDC: RG 242/Microcopy T-501 - about 23 rolls of 35mm microfilm);
- in the records of Gesandter Siegfried Kasche, German ambassador in Kroatien (NARA WashDC: RG 242/Microcopy T-120 - about 40 rolls of 35 mm microfilm);
- Arhiv Hrvatska, Savka Cesta, Zagreb (ask the director for the files concerning Cossack war crimes in Hrvatska);
- Arhiv Vojnoistorisjki Institut (AVII), Beograd (ask the director for the files concerning Cossack war crimes in Hrvatska);
- U.S. War Crimes Case VII (Southeast or Hostage Case) trial transcripts, prosecution evidence and defendant evidence, Nürnberg and Munich, 1947-48 (this case contains pages of eyewitness testimony and documents, part of which attests to Cossack war crimes in Croatia).

I direct you to these sources so you can do your own research. I do NOT collect documents concerning Cossack war crimes. I saw all of these documents 15 to 20 years ago while researching war crimes in Yugoslavia in behalf of the attorneys defending Dr. Andrija Artukovic, Dr. Kurt Waldheim and several other individuals who had been indicted by the U.S. Department of Justice. I did it professionally. I am 66-years-old and I would not lie to you, Aleksei. The documents are there. Many of them.

Good luck.

Hello, Larry D.

Thank you for refferences.

Does some of them were ( are ) published in WWW, IMT (Nürnberg and Munich) docs ????

Thank you.

Aleksei22 · Post by **Aleksei22** » 02 Sep 2004 18:44

add-on a bit .....

Aleksei22 wrote:
I direct you to these sources so you can do your own research. I do NOT collect documents concerning Cossack war crimes. Isaw all of these documents 15 to 20 years ago while researching war crimes in Yugoslavia in behalf of the attorneys defending Dr. Andrija Artukovic, Dr. Kurt Waldheim and several other individuals who had been indicted by the U.S. Department of Justice. .

Hello, Larry D.

so you to say that researching of Cossack war crimes wasnt your prime task ???

Why you declared that Cossacks are WAR-CRIMINAL ???? Dou you mean that ALL of them are WAR CRIMINAL????? Do you mean that Cossacks done so huge amount of WAR CRIME - that it is obviouse as default ????

Do you mean that Cossacks are CRIMINAL PEOPLE ( from "west-point" of view. at least ????? )

Thank you.

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Allen Milcic · Post by **Allen Milcic** » 02 Sep 2004 21:09

Alexsei:

Larry quite obviously stated that members of the Cossack units under German command stationed in the NDH committed warcrimes - nothing more, nothing less. This was confirmed during his research of related topics in the documentation he listed.

I can also confirm reports of crimes committed by Cossacks under German command from the diaries of NDH Foreign Minister Mladen Lorkovic, the memoirs of several members of the (NDH) Croatian Armed Forces, and reports from Partizan sources.

Regards,
Allen/

Larry D. · Post by **Larry D.** » 02 Sep 2004 21:51

Thank you, Allen. Some people just like to come on the Forum to pick a fight. If he is really interested, then he can refer to the resources you and I have cited and conduct his own research.

Best,

Larry D.

Aleksei22 · Post by **Aleksei22** » 09 Sep 2004 14:45

Larry D. wrote:Aleksei - Here's where to find said documentation:

- in the records of Gen. Glaise von Horstenau, the German Bevollmachtigter General in Kroatien (NARA WashDC: RG 242/Microcopy T-501 - about 23 rolls of 35mm microfilm);
- in the records of Gesandter Siegfried Kasche, German ambassador in Kroatien (NARA WashDC: RG 242/Microcopy T-120 - about 40 rolls of 35 mm microfilm);
- Arhiv Hrvatska, Savka Cesta, Zagreb (ask the director for the files concerning Cossack war crimes in Hrvatska);
- Arhiv Vojnoistorisjki Institut (AVII), Beograd (ask the director for the files concerning Cossack war crimes in Hrvatska);
- U.S. War Crimes Case VII (Southeast or Hostage Case) trial transcripts, prosecution evidence and defendant evidence, Nürnberg and Munich, 1947-48 (this case contains pages of eyewitness testimony and documents, part of which attests to Cossack war crimes in Croatia).

I direct you to these sources so you can do your own research. I do NOT collect documents concerning Cossack war crimes. I saw all of these documents 15 to 20 years ago while researching war crimes in Yugoslavia in behalf of the attorneys defending Dr. Andrija Artukovic, Dr. Kurt Waldheim and several other individuals who had been indicted by the U.S. Department of Justice. I did it professionally. I am 66-years-old and I would not lie to you, Aleksei. The documents are there. Many of them.

Good luck.

Hello, Larri D

Do you mean that some Cossacs mil. units was (were ) under the personall command of that criminal and murder ????

Do you mean that some Cossacs mil. units was (were ) followed by his
personal orders ( orders of this lahtari, beeffer ) ????

May i ask you to publish some evidence(s) you own ????

Thank you.

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Allen Milcic · Post by **Allen Milcic** » 09 Sep 2004 15:13

Alexsei:

Are you asking whether the Cossacks were under the command of NDH Interior Minister Andrija Artukovic? If so, the answer is no - they were under German command.

Allen/

David Thompson · Post by **David Thompson** » 09 Sep 2004 16:49

Aleksei22 -- This thread started with a request from Retro for information on a specific topic -- war crimes committed by the 1st Cossacks Cavalry Division, XV Cossacks Cavalry Corps and regiments from Marching Ataman (Domanov) Camp. Larry D. answered the request by stating that he had seen documents on that subject in certain specific locations.

Your truculent demands and groundless allegations toward Larry D. are rude and inappropriate. Don't bother to post any more of them or they'll be deleted.