Tölz 1938...

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Tölz 1938...

Post by Timo » 18 Sep 2004 19:55

Does somebody know who commanded the I. Schulabteilung of the SS Junkerschule Tölz in 1938?

Thanks in advance,
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Post by RolandP » 03 Feb 2008 11:57

Hello,
I found this question while looking for information about SS-Junkerschule Tölz.
There are some great difficulties to find some information about the command rooster and Structure of Tölz in the early years 1934 – 1940/1941.

Who have information about the structure of Tölz in these years, there were “Lehrgangsleiter” “Aufsichten” and “Hörsäle”, but when did they from the so called “Schulabteilungen”.

Lehrgangsleiter 1934 was the Sturmhauptführer/Hauptsturmführer Fred Kniefall from the LSSAH, maybe still in 1935, but there are no further infos about his military career. There were the Hörsäle A – D, maybe more.
One Aufsichtsführer was
SS-Sturm-, sp.Obersturmführer Harry Wiedemann 19.04.34 – 17.05.35
Other officers at Tölz were
SS-(Unter-) Sturmführer Rudolf Ruge (23.11.34) – 00.00.00

SS-(Unter-) Sturmführer Otto Meyer (23.11.34) – 00.00.00

SS-Obersturmführer Max Kopischke (23.11.34) – 00.00.00

SS-(Unter-)Sturmführer Georg Schönberger (00.10.34) – 00.00.00

SS-(Unter-) Sturmführer Hubert Spahn (00.10.34) – 00.00.00

Lehrgangsleiter 1935 was, as mentioned above, maybe still SS-Hauptsturmführer Kniefall, there were still the Hörsäle A – D,
one of the Hörsaalleiter was SS-Untersturmführer Otto Meyer 01.04.35 – 31.03.36
I have no infos about other officers in this course.

Lehrgangsleiter 1936 war an SS-Hauptsturmführer (Audorf ?); I couldn´t identify his name in the Abgangszeugnis of Hermann Im Masche in one of John P.Moore´s Führerliste- CD,
one of the Aufsichtsführer was
SS-Obersturmführer Hans-Heinrich “Hanns” Lohmann 01.04.36– 00.01.37
I have no infos about other officers in this course.

Lehrgangsleiter 1937 was SS-Hauptsturmführer, ab 12.09.37
Sturmbannführer Hans-Friedemann Goetze 15.05.37 – 30.09.38
one of the Aufsichtsführer was
Aufsichtführer:
SS-Obersturmführer Bernhard Krause 01.04.37 – 01.04.38
Also mentioned is
SS-Untersturmführer Herbert Vollmer 01.10.37 – 00.00.00

Lehrgangsleiter 1938 maybe still SS-Sturmbannführer Goetze,
there were the Hörsäle A – H confirmed, but no names of officers.

In 1939, there were Kompanies, no longer Aufsichten or Hörsäle, I have infos about
1.Kompanie:
SS-Hauptsturmführer Lang (00.11.39) – (00.02.40)

2.Kompanie:
Hauptmann (SS-Hauptsturmführer) Grünwalder (00.11.39) – (00.02.40)

Zugführer in der 2.Kompanie:
SS-Untersturmführer (?) Walter “Bubi” Reder (00.11.39) – (00.02.40)

Was it this year, when the Schulabteilungen were formed, or earlier?

Every further info concerning Tölz would be great!!

Regards Roland

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Post by Phil Nix » 03 Feb 2008 13:10

Hans Friedeman Goetz was Lehrgangsleiter 15.5.37 to 1.10.38 when he took over command of III Sturmbann/ 4. SS Totenkopfstandarte
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Post by RolandP » 03 Feb 2008 14:58

Thanks, Phil, for the hint :wink: , but who followed Götze as Lehrgangsleiter?

Regards Roland

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Re: Fred Kniefall

Post by Mikedc » 06 Jul 2009 11:49

About Fred Kniefall I did find the following additional info.
NSDAP: 304.565
SS: 4.754
Promoted to SS-Sturmhauptführer on 4-12-1931

Maybe somebody else can fill in some more....???

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Re: Tölz 1938...

Post by RolandP » 06 Jul 2009 21:34

Dear Mike,
thanks fort his hint :)
but regarding the “earlier years” of the SS-Führerschule, later Junkerschule Tölz, there seems to be great difficulties to find some additional information! :cry:

Regards yours Roland

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Re: Tölz 1938...

Post by Mikedc » 06 Jul 2009 22:07

Hello Roland,

No thanks at all. I came across his name with this info and thought I just should post it here.
And yes, sometimes it's hard to find info about particular units or so....


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Re: Tölz 1938...

Post by Phil Nix » 07 Jul 2009 11:06

Fred Kniefall was commissioned SS Sturmführer 4.2.1931, he was promoted SS Sturmhauptführer 1.2.1933 He was always on the Staff of JS Tolz to 1937 when he was lkisted as zur zeit ohne Berwendg the 1938 DAL shows him "von rfss entlassene SS Fuhrer 31.1.1938"
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