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s.Jagdpz. Abt. 560

Post by -Michael » 28 Nov 2004 12:28

Who can give me the OoB and the battle history of the Schwere Jagdpanzer Abteilung 560.

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Post by -Michael » 28 Nov 2004 21:11

somebody?

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Post by David C. Clarke » 29 Nov 2004 01:16

Welcome Stormman to the wonderful world of tyring to find information on sPz. Jgr. Abt.'s! Your best bet is the thumbnail history of this unit in Nuts and Bolts vol. 14 "Nashorn" by Tony Greenland and Detlev Terlisten. This will give you enough information to whet your appetite and you will search in vain for more information.

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Post by Abel Ravasz » 29 Nov 2004 11:36

Hi,

David is right - but still, you might want to check out this site:

http://orbat.com/site/sturmvogel/pzjgabt.htm
Panzerabwehr-Abteilung 560
Panzerjäger-Abteilung 560 (from 1 Apr 40)

26 Aug 39 mobilized in WK VI
1 Sep 39 4th Army reserves, Army Group North
10 May 40 XI Corps, 6th Army, Army Group B with three companies (@ 4x 8.8cm Pak)
3 Dec 40 arrive in Bouillon area, France, assigned to 16th Army, Army Group A
5 Apr 41 12th Army
28 May 41 south of Bucharest, Romania
22 Jun 41 XI Corps, Eleventh Army, Army Group South (3.7cm guns)
13 Jul 41 XXX Corps, 11th Army, Army Group South
15, 22 Sep 41 XXX Corps, 11th Army, Army Group South
12 Oct 41 LIV Corps, 11th Army, Army Group South
22 May 42 re-equipped with 7.5cm guns
4 Jun 42 Armeegruppe von Weichs
[Niehorster: 28 Jun 42 Army Group South reserves with two companies of Pak 40s and one company of Pak 98/38(f)]
3 Jul 42 XIII Corps, 4th Panzer Army, Army Group South
13 Jul 42 XIII Corps, 2nd Army/Armeegruppe von Weichs
30 Jul 42 VII Corps, 2nd Army
28 Sep 42 redesignated Panzerjäger-Abteilung 127 – (27th Panzer-Division)
FtF: Sep I 39, Army Group North Reserves, 1x 1-10 mot AT II 560
FoF: May I 40, Sixth Army, 1x 1-10 mot AT II 560
TFH: Sep I 40, 1x 1-10 mot AT II 560
BF: Dec I 40, First Panzer Group, 1x 1-10 mot AT II 560
SE: Jun II 41, Army Group South/11th Army, 1x 1-10 mot AT II 560; Sep I 42, withdraw

schwere Panzerjäger-Abteilung 560 (Hornisse)
schwere Panzerjäger-Abteilung 560 (Panther) (26 May 44)

Mar (?) 43 formed in France from Pak-Kp. 4./41, 4./42, 4./61
6 Apr 43 transport to 7th Army completed
23 Apr 43 1. and 3. transferred to the East
Apr 43 30 Nashorns issued
15-17 May 43 15 Nashorns delivered to 2./
2 Jul 43 assigned to XXXXII Corps, Army Detachment Kempf, Army Group South; 45 Nashorns assigned with 14 per company and 3 in the HQ
7 Jul 43 XXXXII Corps assessed the battalion as not combat-ready due to problems with the Hornisse
30 Aug 43 assigned to 8th Army with 13 Hornisse operational and 18 under repair
1 Sep 43 18 operational, 11 in short-term repair, 6 in long-term repair
Sep 43 5 Nashorns issued
Oct 43 5 Nashorns issued
Nov 43 3 Marder IIIs delivered
Dec 43 10 Marder IIIs delivered
19 Dec 43 attached to 257th Inf.Div., XXX Corps, 1st Panzer Army, Army Group South
Feb 44 4 Nashorns issued
Apr 44 5 Nashorns issued
May 44 rebuilt in Allenstein, WK I, Jagdpanthers not yet delivered
Oct 44 4 Jagdpanthers and 11 Jagdpanzer IV L/70 (V) issued
Nov 44 5 Jagdpanthers and 15 Jagdpanzer IV L/70 (V) issued
Dec 44 2 Jagdpanzer IV L/70 (V) issued
16 Dec 44 attached to 12th SS-Panzer-Division, I SS-Panzer Corps, 6th Panzer Army for “Wacht Am Rhein” with two companies Jagdpanzer IV/70s, one company Jagdpanthers
Jan 45 12 Jagdpanthers issued
Feb-Mar 45 Hungary, attached to 12th SS-Panzer-Division, I SS-Panzer Corps, 6th SS-Panzer Army
3 Mar 45 6 Jagdpanthers and 8 Panzerjäger IV ready for combat
10 Mar 45 4 Jagdpanthers and 1 Panzerjäger IV ready for combat
Mar 45 11 Jagdpanthers issued
SF: Jul I 43, West, 1x 1-2-10 mot AT II 560; Apr I 44, transfer to Germany; May I 44, convert to 1x 3-8 TD II 560; Jun I 44, withdraw to East; Dec I 44, West return; Dec I 44, convert to 1 x 3-6 TD II 560, Feb I 45, withdraw to East
SE: Jun I 44, 1x 3-8 TD II 560
Hope this helps,
(and nice to meet you again, DCC :D )

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Post by David C. Clarke » 29 Nov 2004 13:50

Great Post Abel! Good to see you! :D

I had confused Sturmvogel with a site that no longer exists. Thanks for posting.

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Post by -Michael » 29 Nov 2004 17:01

Not really much information, I was looking for some specific information, I found out that there where Flemish in the Abteilung:
I have read that the Sturmgeschütze Kompanie 27, from the Langemarck Division becomes the 3. Kompanie (unter command of Hstuf. Sprenger) of the Schwere Jagd Panzer Abteilung 560, unter command of Deutsche Kreuz im Goldträger, Stubaf. Rudolf Markowz.
They get new Geschütze: Hetzers, 16 ton, 7,5 from Skoda.
In march of '45 they get in action in the area of Seelower-Höhe, Genschmar, Zechin and Alt-Rosenthal. On 28/3 there is a night attac and Sprenger, Van Overloop (Flame), Pintens (Flame) and Toon van Nuffel (Flame) get killed. The situation get worse, Ustuf Gust Heyerick (Flame) is now Kompanieführer. And from 1/4/45 we are in constend 'Abwehrkämpfen' around Künersdorf, Vevais, Wriezsen, Biesdorf and Bliesdorf, where the Kompanie on 18/1, on 1 hour time, 16 T.34's distroys. They more losses: Wiesner, Nickel (Flame), Goossens (Flame) and Parmentier (Flame).
There Begeleitzug did have many casualties too. On 19/4 Ustuf. Heyerick (Flame) gets hurt and gets replaced by Ustuf. Bertels (Flame).
They go N.W.-wards over Bad Freienwalde till Parchim, whit the same purpose: to protect the 'kolone' refugees.
Till 5/5/45, the Abteilung and the Kompanie get dissolved, and the mosed put civilian closing on, and go the the American or the Brittish.

Greetings Michael
Does somebody have more info?

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Post by David C. Clarke » 29 Nov 2004 19:30

Michael, could you check your sources, this sounds more like S.S. Panzerjager Abt. 560 to me than s.Pz. Jgr. Abt. 560.

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Post by -Michael » 30 Nov 2004 17:29

My source is the 'Berkenkruis' a Flemish veteran magazine, but It can be that there are some mistakes, because I found some more in the texts.

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Post by David C. Clarke » 01 Dec 2004 00:10

Michael, I can confirm for you that S.S. Panzerjager Abt. 560 was commanded by Rudolf Markowz and it attacked Genschmar on 27 March, 1945 where it suffered heavy causalties. By the time of its attack on Genschmar, it formed a part of "Kampfgruppe 1001 Nights".

To my knowledge, sPz. Jgr. Abt. 560 never fought at Seelowe Heights, so I believe the correct unit is S.S. Panzerjager Abt. 560.

By the way, what does "(flame)" mean?

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Post by -Michael » 01 Dec 2004 12:40

Flame = somebody from Flanders

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Post by David C. Clarke » 01 Dec 2004 16:41

Does the article have more information than what you posted?
I have been interested in this Kampfgruppe for some time. Were most of the soldiers killed crews of individual Hetzers?

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Post by -Michael » 02 Dec 2004 15:24

David C. Clarke wrote:Does the article have more information than what you posted?
I have been interested in this Kampfgruppe for some time. Were most of the soldiers killed crews of individual Hetzers?

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I don't know, sorry. But whas the Kampfgruppe part of Steiner's III. Germanisches SS Panzer Korps? Can you read Dutch maybe?

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Post by Michi » 02 Dec 2004 19:38

G'd Day!

I'm a little bit confused, are we talking about the sPzJgAbt 560 (schwere Panzer-Jäger-Abteilung) or the SS-JPzAbt 560 z.b.V. (Jagd-Panzer-Abteilung)???
(at least there was no sJPzAbt 560 (schwere Jagd-Panzer-Abteilung))




If we/you are talking about the SS-JPzAbt 560 z.b.V., please read on.
If you were talking about the sPzJgAbt 560 than forget the quotations below.


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Posted by Hans Weber on April 07, 2001 at 01:23:20

In Reply to: Date of Formation Kampfgruppe 1001 Nights posted by David C. Clarke on April 06, 2001 at 17:52:09:

Hello David
As far as I know, KG "1001 Nacht" was an ad hoc formation for the last German offensive taking place in the night of 27th March 45 on the Oder-Front. It consisted of SS-Jagdpanzer-Abteilung 560 z.b.V. (3 Co of Hetzers, 1 Co of Sturmgeschütze bzw- haubitzen and a Company of "Begleit"infantry from a SS-Fallschirmjägerbataillon) plus an additional 390 men (Gefechtsstärke) in 3 Schützenkompanien of Marsch Rgt. 2 acting as "Begleit"infantery. Though I don't have positiv proof of this, I suppose that the formation into a KG occured just before the attack. As the unit suffered catastrophic losses (40 men were left in the three companies, 25 Panzerjägers were put out of action out of 49), I don't think that the KG survived this debacle and probably was disbanded soon after, the failed attack on Genschmar beeing their only reported action. Source is an transcript of the Kampfgruppenkommandeur dated 30.4.45 (in German).
No firm facts on the date, but I hope this is still of some help to you.
Cheers
Hans
Posted by David C. Clarke on April 07, 2001 at 17:14:01

In Reply to: Re: Date of Formation Kampfgruppe 1001 Nights posted by Michi on April 07, 2001 at 12:10:58:

Hi Michi, Yes, I have it on good authority--John Nelson of this forum--that the Hetzer Company was code-named "Suleika", the Pz.Aukfl. Abt. was called "Harem" and the Marsch Regiment 2, "Sultan". But I don't have an actual date for the origin of the Kampfgruppe. Any info you could provide would be appreciated. Best Regards, DCC
Posted by Michi on April 08, 2001 at 15:10:18

The CO of the Kampfgruppe 1001 Nacht was Major later Oberstleutnant (no SS!!) BLANCBOIS.
He came from the IR 5 and was one of the most successful CO of a batallion in the 12.PD.
After being wounded, he became Adjutant of the HGr Weichsel.
At this time he got the order to form a unit for special purpose within the HGr.

The Kampfgruppe 1001 Nacht consisted of:

SS-JPzA 560z.b.V. ("Suleika"). CO was SS-Stubaf WÖST, later HStuf MARKOWZ.
There was a HQ & a supply coy; 3 JPz coys w/ each 14 "Hetzter", a 4. StuGBt and some recovery tanks (Bergepanzer).

PzAA Speer ("Harem") from the OT.
It had a KradSch coy on SdKfz 2s, some PzSpW, quadruple MGs(??), some self-propelled vehicles and 7,5cm a/t guns.

Originally there was a Marschregiment ("Sultan"), but was transported to the HGr Model after the fightings in the Küstrin bidgehed.
This regiment was formed in spring 1944 from high decorated soldiers of all PzDivs, to guard the V-weapons' sites in France.

Later on a coy of the SS-FJB 600 took over the role of infantry.


MfG Michi


PS: I wanna post more after reading the book "Das Ende zwischen Oder und Elbe" by W. TIEKE.
Posted by Michi on April 09, 2001 at 12:13:38

In Reply to: Re: Kampfgruppe 1001 Nacht (Short history) posted by David C. Clarke on April 09, 2001 at 10:28:25:

After having read the book I wanna post the "action report" of the Kampfgruppe 1001 Nacht.
As far as I've read today, only the JPzA 560 z.b.V. is mentioned further on.
The PzAA Speer is neglected.

MfG Michi
Posted by Hans Weber on April 09, 2001 at 04:01:05

In Reply to: Kampfgruppe 1001 Nacht (Short history) posted by Michi on April 08, 2001 at 15:10:18:

Hello Michi
Thanks for this interesting post. I'm wondering about these quadruple MG. I recently came upon a strength report about Pz. Kp. Kummersdorf from 31.3.45. Under the Pz. Flak. Zug is listed a "4 barrel Sp. Wg. (2 cm)" beside other vehicles. Unfortunatly this is a second hand source, translated into English and the spelling is unsure. Still I wondered if it could be some sort of prototype on the chassis of a PSW. It came to my mind when you mentioned the "Vierling" in the PzAA Harem. Do you know more about this?
Thanks
Hans
Posted by Michi on April 09, 2001 at 08:26:54

In Reply to: Re: Kampfgruppe 1001 Nacht (Short history) posted by Hans Weber on April 09, 2001 at 04:01:05:

The only German quadruple MG (NOT FlaK!) I know was made of 4 MG 17.
At this time (1943/44) the MG 17 was out of date for the dogfight by the Luftwaffe.

I'm not sure but I think I have seen a quadruple MG 17 in Koblenz at the Wehrtechnische Studiensammlung some years ago.


MfG Michi



Hope this a kind of help.

MfG Michi

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Post by david Cotton » 06 Dec 2004 20:33

Hello men
Just reading your stuff on the Schwere Jagdpanzer Abteilung 560. I am a little confused now. Schere is German for heavy (I think, but not sure) , so im thinking big bad tank detroyers like Jagd Panther, Jagd Tiger and Elifants. These poor sods seem to be running around in 7.6 ton Skoda's, when the Russians are employing JS3 heavy tanks and the like in large numbers.

I read that the Hetzer performed well during the war. Were they still competative in the last mounths of the war or were they easy meat for the Russian tanks of the time ?

I am surprised at how well equiped the unit was (NUMBER WISE) for March 1945, I think the post said 49 Herters were deployed. That sounds like a very well equiped unit for that stage of the war and one that would not of been chucked away without an inportant reason. Was this unit very special and what was the offensive action in March 1945 for.

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Re: s.Jagdpz. Abt. 560

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 04 Dec 2015 11:45

In the end of October 1943 sPzJgAbt.560 came under command of XXX.AK

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