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Bad Tölz, class of 1938...

Post by Timo » 25 Aug 2002 22:20

Hallo forum,

Can somebody please provide a list of graduates of the SS-Junkerschule Bad Tölz for 11 November 1938? Thanks to John Moore I have a DAL that gives the class of those listed as Stubaf. or higher in 1944, but obviously those who were KIA by then are missing.

Thanks in advance and regards,
Timo

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Post by Peter J. Hertel » 27 Aug 2002 04:33

Hello Timo me boy,

To-day is your lucky day. Here is what you requested.


SS-Junkerschule Tölz

Lehrgang 1937/38



1 Krauß, Philipp SS-Nr. 161 547
2 Radzuweit, Herbert SS-Nr. 90 712
3 Malinkowski,Walter SS-Nr. 171 086
4 Kostenbader, Erich SS-Nr. 111 189
5 Zinn, Siegfried no SS number was given
6 Knittel, Gustav SS-Nr. 111 507
7 Wald, Kurt SS-Nr. 275 136
8 Haydn, Karl SS-Nr. 52 543
9 Schultz, Max SS-Nr. 272 635
10 Knaack, Hans-Joach. SS-Nr. 146 956
11 Diercks, Rolf SS-Nr. 80 149
12 Meyer, Hans SS-Nr. 311 794
13 Rogge, Hienrich SS-Nr. 231 869
14 Pedersen, Alfred SS-Nr. 179 698
15 Koop, Hans SS-Nr. 179 524
16 Baur, Alfons SS-Nr. 40 711
17 Reuter, Otto SS-Nr. 97 450
18 Volte, Ernst SS-Nr. 238 029
19 MietenkotteHeinz SS-Nr. 130 400
20 Müller, Helmut SS-Nr. 174 235
21 Dorr, HansHans SS-Nr. 77 360
22 Hocke, Herbert SS-Nr. 277 380
23 Liesemeier, Walter SS-Nr. 211 267
24 Fütting, Walter SS-Nr. 265 767
25 May, Fritz SS-Nr. 81 090
26 Tetens, Werner SS-Nr. 286 837
27 Kesper, Hans-Joachim SS-Nr. 19 374
28 Kling, Heinrich SS-Nr. 39 402
29 Haas, Wilhelm SS-Nr. 269 598
30 Stehno, Anton SS-Nr. 143 448
31 Kessel, Rolf SS-Nr. 264 713
32 Bremer, Gerhard no SS number was given
33 Judick, Emil SS-Nr. 207 650
34 Preußer, Kurt SS-Nr. 104 078
35 Schaßberger, Fried. SS-Nr. 275 525
36 Berlin, Anton SS-Nr. 42 981
37 Ney, Karl SS-Nr. 86 976
38 Braunagel, Walter SS-Nr. 99 469
39 Hinze, Gerhard SS-Nr. 275 528
40 Belz, Fritz SS-Nr. 227 221
41 Oeck, Herbert SS-Nr. 51 152
42 Recke, Karlheinz SS-Nr. 257 814
43 Anlaust, Karl-Heinz SS-Nr. 163 113
44 Krüger, Gerhard SS-Nr. 114 417
45 Heins, Hans SS-Nr. 203 000
46 Polsterer, Ferdinand SS-Nr. 265 811
47 Hagemeier, Wilhelm SS-Nr. 283 097
48 Endemann, Wilhelm SS-Nr. 98 463
49 Pfannmüller, Max SS-Nr. 161 809
50 Müller, Günter SS-Nr. 278 983
51 Hauprich, Otto SS-Nr. 278 983
52 Iser, Lothar SS-Nr. 210 558
53 Schultes, Franz SS-Nr. 283 071
54 Gnabs, Gerhard SS-Nr. 189 763
55 Ulrich, hans-Günther 293 971
56 Hintze, Adalbert no SS number was given
57 Sitter, Günther no SS number was given
58 Schulze, Hansgeorg SS-Nr. 270 844
59 Silberleitner, Karl SS-Nr. 139 450
60 Albrecht, Alfred SS-Nr. 49 237
61 Wöst, Günter SS-Nr. 286 864
62 Schütze, Bruno SS-Nr. 131 659
63 Stimmfeld, Walter SS-Nr. 59 628
64 Hartmann, Hans-Jorg SS-Nr. 272 292
65 Maas, Josef SS-Nr. 229 972
66 Lehmann, Konrad no SS number was given
67 Dieckmann, Adolf SS-Nr. 309 894
68 Kugelstadt, Hans no SS number was given
69 Juchem, Hans SS-Nr. 256 258
70 Wagner, Ernst SS-Nr. 286 899
71 Kersten, Hubert SS-Nr. 270 873
72 Fredrith, Helmut SS-Nr. 223 754
73 Radünz, Joahnnes SS-Nr. 280 185
74 Hoy, Karl SS-Nr. 268 466
75 Bauer, Rudolf SS-Nr. 192 858
76 Paustian, Max SS-Nr. 283 095
77 Schmidt, Walter SS-Nr. 311 100
78 Tietje, Günter SS-Nr. 289 366
79 Stieghan, Bernhard SS-Nr. 271 509
80 Stürzbecher, Emil SS-Nr. 308 331
81 Bahr, Hans-Helmut SS-Nr. 257 717
82 Maeker, Rudolph SS-Nr. 194 860
83 Vogel, Paul SS-Nr. 270 124
84 Bücker, Theo SS-Nr. 270 859
85 Berg, Hans SS-Nr. 224 720
86 Gehring, Hanns-Dieter SS-Nr. 267 702
87 Haym, Christian-Friedrich SS-Nr. 277 941
88 Becker, Karl SS-Nr. 268 070
89 Herrmann, Alexander SS-Nr. 122 211
90 Neumann, Günter SS-Nr. 169 226
91 Janßen, Karl SS-Nr. 286 914
92 Burk, Ewald SS-Nr. 277 022
93 Ziegler, Heinz SS-Nr. 133 977
94 Skalka, Egon SS-Nr. 266 030
95 Rüß, Walter SS-Nr. 120 030
96 Kühne, Herbert SS-Nr. 191 892
97 Grafhorst, Bernhard SS-Nr. 132 046
98 Röhwer, Hans SS-Nr. 282 122
99 Schulze, Herbert SS-Nr. 121 397
100 Wehner, Werner no SS number was given
101 Wolf, Karl-Wilhelm SS-Nr. 116 702
102 Weber, Eduard SS-Nr. 276 414
103 Schlosser, Heinz SS-Nr. 257 818
104 Hermes, Lebrecht no SS number was given
105 Lindner, Walter Heinrich SS-Nr. 133 997
106 Himmler, Hans SS-Nr. 275 519
107 Hardieck, Willi SS-Nr. 32 786
108 Singer, Albert SS-Nr. 110 955
109 Grams, Ruprecht SS-Nr. 150 930
110 Bottler, Georg SS-Nr. 269 637
111 Otto, Hermann SS-Nr. 286 851
112 Hölz, Otto SS-Nr. 225 338
113 Hartzig, Herbert SS-Nr. 67 455
114 Dahl, Albert SS-Nr. 280 620
115 Friedrichs, Hermann SS-Nr. 184 211
116 Ehlers, Kurt SS-Nr. 146 358
117 Herrmann, Albrecht SS-Nr. 226 044
118 Baumeier, Martin SS-Nr. 117 521
119 Laue, Hans-Joachim SS-Nr. 210 729


Best regards,

Pete
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Post by Timo » 27 Aug 2002 07:05

Thanks, Peter. Exactly what I was looking for. Just one small question (or two actually). The numbering (Knittel being no.6) is it original? Because I also received such a list yesterday which just lists everybody in alphabetical order. And do you know when their SS number was issued? When they joined the SS or when they attended the Junkerschule, when they graduated or at an other date/occasion?

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Timo

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Post by Peter J. Hertel » 27 Aug 2002 15:15

Timo,

I put those numbers before their names; just to give me a visual count of how many were on the course.

This list is from an SS-Verordnungsblatt, dated 9. November 1938.
The names are in the exact same order as in the SS-Verordnungsblatt, in three columns.

I have seen many officer course lists and promotion lists. On being commssioned an SS officer, the majority of times they give only the date-of-birth, and on some others, they give SS numbers only for some the participants and date-of birth only for the rest of the participants.

I have seen many a SS NCO and men rosters, and they do have their SS numbers after their names.

As of yet, I haven't figure it out, assuming that they are given an SS number as soon as they are accepted into the SS. Maybe they are waiting for the results of their ancestry before given an SS number?

I will be continuing to do research on this subject and when I do I'll let you know.

All the best,

Peter

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Post by skrable » 15 Oct 2003 06:12

This is an awesome list. The SS# for Gerd Bremer is: 310 405

Knittel graduated 7th in his class - on this list he is #6.

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Post by Timo » 15 Oct 2003 08:43

When it says they were commisioned as Ustuf. on 09.11.1938, does this mean there was also some sort of graduation ceremony at this date or was this earlier? Can somebody add some details about such ceremonies, especially for this class?

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Timo

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Post by Camp Upshur » 15 Oct 2003 17:21

Timo,

The place to look is the Bad Tolz Stadt Archiv. They have complete bound copies if the Tolzer Kurier of this time.
I viewed these just last week and was impressed . It's too bad that that I didn't have this ceremony in mind, I would suspect that it may have been covered (if you recall I referred you to a photo of this class from the Tolzer Kurier archives some time ago). Addittionally, the Tozer Kurier itself is said to have a set as well, but I personally have not seen them.
I must say that sometimes it can be a little tricky , politically , when requesting to see such archival material.

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Post by Timo » 15 Oct 2003 19:21

Thanks for this very useful information. Unfortunately I don't remember the photo you're referring to. Do you have a scan of it?

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Timo

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Post by Panzermahn » 16 Oct 2003 05:52

67 Dieckmann, Adolf SS-Nr. 309 894


Is this the SS officer who was responsible for the destruction of Oradour Sur Glane?

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Post by Timo » 16 Oct 2003 18:32

Yes, it's him.

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Post by Panzermahn » 17 Oct 2003 09:14

I heard that there are confusing names for this guy...Adolf Dieckmann or Otto Dieckmann or Adolf Dickmann or Otto Dickmann?

Well, not bad for an SS officer who wantonly destroys and slaughter of innocent civillains to graduate around in the middle of the class

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Post by Svennie » 17 Oct 2003 14:36

Timo,

there is a picture of the 1938 class graduation ceremony in:
"In perfect formation"
SS-ideology and the Junkerschule Tölz
Author Jay Hatheway
Schiffer Publishing

I recall that the pic is also in the Junkerschulen book by Schulze-Kossens AND it appeared a few months ago on this forum. Just do not ask me which post it was........

I suppose the pic came from the Tölz municipal archive.

Sven

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Post by Reader3000 » 17 Oct 2003 19:03

@Timo and panzermahn:
The SS-officer who gave the orders to burn Oradour down was August Dieckmann.

Some of the other classmates of Knittel and Bremer later also became good leaders of troops, like Hans Dorr and Hans Juchem who led some troops of the Wiking; Kurt Anton Berlin was from 1943 to'45 Kompaniechef of the 1./SS-PzRgt. 12 "Hitlerjugend"

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Post by Phil Nix » 19 Oct 2003 09:55

Panzerass wrote:@Timo and panzermahn:
The SS-officer who gave the orders to burn Oradour down was August Dieckmann.

Some of the other classmates of Knittel and Bremer later also became good leaders of troops, like Hans Dorr and Hans Juchem who led some troops of the Wiking; Kurt Anton Berlin was from 1943 to'45 Kompaniechef of the 1./SS-PzRgt. 12 "Hitlerjugend"

Sorry August Dieckmann was killed in action 10.10.1943 as Staf whilst serving with Wiking Divsion. Dienmstaltersliste der Waffen SS stand 1.Juli 1944 shows Adolf Dieckmann as Kdr I/4 Rgt in 2 SS Div DR and he was killed in action 29.6.44
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Post by Reader3000 » 19 Oct 2003 10:33

Oops, sorry, I mixed them up. But were they relatives?

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