The use of nickel of Petsamo

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The use of nickel of Petsamo

Post by Christian W. » 14 Dec 2004 13:50

Everyone were so intrested about our precious nickel in Petsamo, but I have one question. What was the nicles used for? Call me stupid if you want but I dont know what the thing is used for

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Post by Zygmunt » 14 Dec 2004 14:44

As ever, google can solve your problem:

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~toxmetal/TXSHni.shtml

The article even mentions the Petsamo mine by name. In short, Nickel is a useful additive - steel alloys using Nickel can be stronger, and more heat resistant. Aluminium alloys using Nickel were used in aircraft manufacture.

Heat resistant steels and aircraft-grade aluminuim... sounds pretty important to a WWII economy to me.

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Post by Christian W. » 14 Dec 2004 16:57

Hmm, I thought something like this. Thank you. :)

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Post by Steady » 14 Dec 2004 17:17

Bullets had nickel in them. There was a saying (repeated in the Unknown Soldier book?) that if the russki wants our Finnish nickel so much, lets give him as much as he wants!

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Post by Topspeed » 15 Dec 2004 09:35

Steady,

Take it easy. That is nationalistic porn. Soviets only wanted the Petasamo after the war in 1944. Or did they ? :?

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Post by Whiskey » 15 Dec 2004 10:00

They did want it earlier.

The mining licence was given to British-Canadian company before the war, but after the Moscow Peace SU started pressuring Finland to revoke the licence and give the ownership of the mine to SU. Also on the table was demand to handle security in the mining area, which would have created very bad situation for law enforcement and national security.

The negotiations continued several months, Finns stalling, until Soviets lost their patience in January 1941 and demanded immediate conclusion of negotiations. This demand was enforced by cutting grain deliveries, calling home ambassador, starting hostile radio/press propaganda and making some troop manouvres close the border.

Finns countered by proposing 49% ownership of the mine to SU, Soviet guarantee that no agitation against Finland will be done there and close by hydroelectric plant would be separate Finnish company. SU refused.

Some historians consider this Petsamo nickel crisis being the final drip which drove Finns to co-operation with Nazi Germany as that seemed to be the only way to fend off Soviet attempts of conquest.

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Post by Topspeed » 15 Dec 2004 16:48

Okay I hear you dude. Soviets lust for neighbours goodies was immense.

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Post by Whiskey » 16 Dec 2004 02:17

Nah! It wasn't totally about goodies. It was much politics.

It was just a combination of an attempt to Sovietize Finland in the same way as was done with Baltic Republics, worsening relations with Germany, face saving attempt of major power and very bad political miscalculations.

SU had used pressure and threats of war against Finland during previous year after the Moscow peace and it had worked before. It was just that Finns thought that enough is enough and stopped giving in and searched German counterweight. Molotov and co. couldn't believe that Finns would stand against them (again!) and thought that a little more pressure would make them to give in. The end result was that they couldn't themselves back off without losing face.

Finnish opposition just blew it out of all proportions.

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Post by Topspeed » 16 Dec 2004 08:13

Whiskey,

I see outa proportions. I wonder how one really feels when facing a 30 fold enemy having only a rifle on ones hand. That may cause a stress and afterwards perhaps a trauma.
I have been thinking, if soviets actually were picking up a war. I mean germans had helped us in 1918 as well. Or did soviets think that socialist bro's germans were now their pals and used the situation for their advantage to whack the finnish nation.


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Post by Tero » 16 Dec 2004 13:28

By Zygmunt
The article even mentions the Petsamo mine by name.
Yes. And it reads:
The Petsamo nickel mine in Finland, previously brought to a standstill by the invading Soviet army, was captured by the Germans in 1940 and became a major source of steel-strengthening nickel for the German war.


I wonder how they dreamed that one up. :)

On the subject of raw materiels as a casus belli.

IMO the role of strategically important materiels has been downplayed in the histories.

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