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Russian Tank Aces

Post by Igorn » 24 Dec 2004 14:31

I am gathering information about the Soviet tank aces in the World War II. The names of German top tank aces are well known. Less known, if at all, are the names of the Soviet tankers, which bravely fought and mostly died in heavy but unknown battles of the war. In most of the cases all what remained of them were smoking ruins of German and their own tanks. Their fate remained unknown. Some tankers became known. Perhaps most known is Lieutenant Dmitriy Lavrinenko, who scored 52 victories in 28 engagements before he was killed defending Moscow in 1941. The enclosed list is incomplete. There is no precise data about all the wins of the below listed tank aces, who in reality could have scored much more wins. This happened because in the Red Army the big number of burnt German tanks was not considered as a significant achievement. As a result of such practice outstanding Russian tank aces such as Samokhin, Lavrinenko or Kolobanov were not awarded as the Hero of the Soviet Union during the war. As one can see below, very often information is only available about one battle or one day and nobody knows exactly how many tank wins those Russian aces scored.

If somebody has some more details or data about the Russian tank aces I would greatly appreciate it.




1. Guards Capt. Samokhin Konstantin, 4th Tank Brigade, BT-7, T-34 died in 1942 69 + 13 other AFVs, 82 guns, 117 motor vehicles
2. Lt. Lavrinenko Dmitry (T-34, 4th Tank Brigade), Hero of the Soviet Union (1985!), died in Nov. 1941 52 incl. StuGs, + some guns, mortars and cars. In October of 1941 his T-34 destroyed 16 German tanks in a single combat. Scored 52 victories in 28 engagements before he was killed defending Moscow in 1941

3. Sr. Lt. Kolobanov Zinovy (KV-1, 1st tank division) 23 + 3 ATGs; destroyed 22 tanks + 2 ATGs on 19 August 1941 for 3 hours! KV withstood 135 hits.
4. Guards Lt. Maksakov Vladimir (T-34-85, 45th Guards tank brigade) 18 Including three Tigers!

5. Jr.lt. Kashnikov P.M. (T-34, 6th Guards mech corps) 17 inc. StuGs;
6. Lt. Konovalov Semen (KV-1, 15th tank brigade) 16 + 2 arm.cars and 8 cars; all tanks destroyed in one combat on 13 July 1943
7. Lt. Khoroshilov Pavel (KV-1, 12th tank regiment) 16 incl 4 SPGs ; + other vehicles
8. St. Nurtynov (SU-122), 1945 15 + 20 guns and mortars
9. Salnikov Mikhail 15
10.Guards Lt. Bessarabov Georgy
(T-34, 1st Guards tank brigade), Dec. 1943 12 Including 5 Tigers!
Guard Lt. M.Pobedinsky 13 Including Panthers and Tigers!
11. Lt. Deputatov Ivan (JS-2, 36th tank brigade) , 1945 11 incl. 2 StuGs; + 3 halftracks
12. Lt. Silachyev Alexey (1943) 11 In one combat in 1943
13. Lt. Dmitriev Maxim (1943) 11 In one combat in 1943
14. Stepanov Konstantin (46th tank brigade) 11 + 5 ATGs
15. Lt. Gudz Pavel (KV-1, 89th separate tank battalion) 10 + 4 ATGs, during 1 combat
16. Guards Lt. Sokolov Yury Sergeyevich (T-34, 45 Guards tank brigade) 10 incl. 9 StuGs; + 2 ATGs, 2 strongpoints, 8 halftracks, 15 cars
17.Sr lt. Khazov Vladimir (6th tank brigade) 10+
18. Major Sankovsky (SU-152) 10 during 1 day 1943
19. Jr.lt. Miljukov Alexander (KV, T-34-76, T-34-85, 53rd Guards tank brigade), Hero of the Soviet Union, 1945 9 + some ATGs (6 Tigers + 1 Panther)
20. Lt. Lazeykin N. (14th tank regiment) 9 during 1 combat , including three Tigers!
21. Lt. Kukarin (T-34, 4th tank brigade) 9 during 1 combat;
22. Ljubushkin Ivan (SU-122), Hero of the Soviet Union 9 incl. 5 StuGs; + 15 ATGs
23. Capt. Bosov Alexey (KV-1) 8 + 1 plane(rammed) on 18th November 1941; also few guns on 27th August 1939
24. Korolkv Ivan (T-34, 133rd tank brigade) 8 + 2 guns, during 1 combat in 1942 near Kharkov
25. Borisov I.F. (T-34/85, 36th Guards tank brigade) , 1945 8 + 5 halftracks, 18 to 21 february 1945;
26. Lt. Zhabin I.N. (KV, 10th tank division) 8 + many cars, during 1 day 1941;
27. Sr. lt. Sholokhov Dmitry (KV, 158th tank brigade) , 1942 8 + 10 cars, in one combat
28. Jr.lt. Kurlyand (T-34, 3rd Guards tank brigade) 8 during 1 combat
29. Lt. Sergeev (KV-1, 1st tank division) 8 during 1 combat
30. Guards Lt. Tokarev (T-34-85, 52rd Guards tank brigade) 8 during 1 combat;
Including two Tigers and three Panthers!
31. Guards Lt. Nagumanov Deylegay (166th Guards separate eng.-t. brig.), 1944 8 during 1 combat
32. Lt. Zamula Mikhail (200th tank brigade) , 1944 7 All seven Tigers !
33.Guards Jr.lt. Golub Ivan (T-34/85, 13th Guards tank brigade) , 1944 7 + 5 ATGs ; including 3 Tigers and 2 Panthers
34. Jr.lt. Ljaschenko (18th tank brigade) 7
35. Jr.lt. Babkov A. (T-34) 7 incl. 1 Ferdinand!;
Guard Colonel N.G.Zhukov (1945), 10th Guard Tank Corps 7 Incl. Panthers
36. Gorobets (T-34; 21st tank brigade) 7
37. Guards Capt. Danilov Alexey
(T-34, 3rd Guards mechanised corps) 7 on 24th September 1943
Lt. Ivan Lupov, Hero of the Soviet Union, 1941 (Katukov Brigade) 7 + 2 PAKs +5 mortars
38. Dashinsky (KV-1) 6 + 18 guns and 6 mortars, on 3rd October 1942
39. Andronov V. (143rd tank regiment) 6 + 2 ATGs
40. Lt. Brazhnikov Grigory (T-34), 1943 6 Including 5 Tigers!
41. Guards Jr.lt.Yermolaev Vasily (T-34-85, 12th Guards tank brigade), Hero of the Soviet Union 6 during 1 combat, including four Tiger II !
42. Guards Jr.lt. Stepan Kraynev (T-34, 52rd Guards tank brigade) 6 during 1 combat , including two Panthers!
43. Simenchuk Nikolay 6 during 1 combat
44. Lt. Minenko (T-34) 6 on 21st November 1941
45. Lt. Alexey Yerohin (T-34) 6 all StuG, during 2 days in 1943
46. Lt. Chuchuka (T-34, 197 tank brigade) 6 all StuG, 1943
47. Guards Jr.lt. Oskin Alexander (T-34/85, 53rd Guards tank brigade) 6
Including three Tiger II !
48. Jamaletdinov Shagiy (T-34, 41st Guards tank brigade) 5 + 8 ATGs and 3 halftracks
49. Capt. Reshetnikov Nikolay (25st tank brigade) 5 incl 1 StuG ; + 12 cars
50. Guards Lt. Hitzenko Ivan (JS-2), died in 1945 5 during 1 combat , including Tiger II
51. Lt. Pechnikov S.K. (1st tank division) 5 during 4 days in 1941, + 3 mortars;
52. Lt. Frolov M. (178th tank brigade) 5 during 1 combat , including three Tigers!
53. Lt. Stropin 5
54. 1st lt. Lobanov Andrey (T-34) , 1943 5 during 1 combat
55. Jr. Lt. Lyangasov (T-34/85), 1944 4 4 Panzers + 10 trucks
56. Lt. Maslov Vasily some + 8 halftracks and 2 ATGs, 65 cars
57. Guard Lt. Gregory Chesak (T-34-85), 10th Guards Tank Corps 3 3 Tigers in one combat!
58. St. Lt. Boris Golubovsky, 79th Tank Brigade, T-34/85 3 2 Tigers +1 StuG in one combat in 1944
59. Capt. V. Bochkovsky, (1st Guard Tank Brigade), March 1944 2 2 Tigers in one combat


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Post by Igorn » 24 Dec 2004 14:39

If one looks at a list of the Russian Tank Aces I posted at the first glance many of them have 5,7,10 wins that does not look impressive. But the great majority of these wins were achieved either in our combat or in one day. And these 5, 7 or 10 wins were achieved mainly over Tigers or Panthers. Who were they, the Russian tank aces who succeded in combats with Tigers and Panthers?

First of all, these are the T-34 crews of the 1st Guard Tank Army of General Michail Katukov, who got a reputation of the Tigers & Panthers hunters. On July 7, 1943 a platoon of the 1st Guard Tank Brigade held defense of Oboyan road near Yakovlev village. At the dawn seven Tigers and about a regiment of infantry appeared on the road. Later on, the Germans were reinforced by new tank formations, which had Tigers as well. During the whole day, eight T-34/76, hidden in ambush repelled German attacks. At that day, the crew of the Guard Lt. Georgy Bessarabov open his score of the knocked out German Heavy Panzers. T-VIH, happened to be his third Panzer, which he burnt by the afternoon. Bessarabov knocked out this Tiger from ambush penetrating the side armor. Later that day, Bessarabov’s crew knocked out two more Tigers. Later, Guard Lt. Bessarabov increased his score of destroyed Panzers till twelve including five Tigers. Unfortunately, on December 29, 1943 Guard Lt. Bessarabov died in the combats near Kazatin town. The Tank Ace of the Russian 200th Tank Brigade of the 1st Guard Tank Army, Lt. Michail Zamula knocked out seven Tigers. The platoon commander of the 53th Tank Brigade, Lt. Aleksander Milyukov knocked out six Tigers and one Panther. Aleksander Milyukov arrived to the front in 1942 and started as a mechanic –driver of the KV tank but soon was appointed as a T-34/76 tank commander. In February 1943 in combats near Kharkov Milyukov achieved his first win over Tiger. During Kursk battle, the crew of Lt. Milyukov knocked out one Panther and three Tigers. Later in 1945, Aleksander Milyukov destroyed two more Tigers ans was awarded as a Hero of the Soviet Union.

Among Russian Tank Aces I would like single out Lt. Grigory Brazhnikov, T-34 tank commander and Lt. Ivan Hizenko, JS-2 Tank commander.

Grigory Brazhnikov demonstrated excellent skills in Kursk Battle. In the beginning of this battle, his crew knocked out one Pz-III and one Tiger. Later on just in one combat, Lt. Brazhnikov knocked out four Tigers! from the distance of 350-400 meters using eight shells. But the fifth Tiger burnt Brazhnikov’s T-34 but fortunately the crew survived.

Guard Lt. Hizenko participated in the breakthrough of German defense near Ruzhan town in Poland. On January 15, 1945 Hizenko engaged in the combat with ten German heavy Panzers and knocked out five of them! In the same combat courageous tank ace was died.

Four Tigers were knoked out by the Guard Jr. Lt. Vasily Yermolaev, tank commander of the 12th Guard Tank Brigade in a combat near Zanki village, Shitomir area on December 7, 1943.

In December 1943 in combats near Shitomir, Guard Jr. Lt. Ivan Golub, T-34 tank commander of the 13th Guard Tank Brigade (4th Gurad Tank Corps of the 60th Army) knocked out three Tigers and two Panthers. Ivan Golub arrived to the 1st Ukrainian Front on December 6, 1943 just after completion of the Orel Armor-Tank School and distinguished himself with outstanding skills in combats near Shitomir. In one of the day of the Russian offensive, T-34 of Ivan Golub together with other tanks broke in Genovichi village and destroyed in half an hour several guns and trucks. However, Germans undertook counter attack. Ivan Golub managed to disguise his T-34 in ambush when two Tigers came closer to the village. With the first shot the crew of Ivan Golub knocked out the first Tiger and with the next shot burnt the secong Tiger. On December 24, 1944 the Shitomir-Berdichev operation commenced and in six days in the evening of December 31, 1943, T-34 of Ivan Golub was the first machine from the group of Russian tanks which reached the edge of the Visokaja Pech village, Shitomir area, where German armor machines were located. Skillfully using his surprise attack the crew of Ivan Golub destroyed three Tigers, two Panthers, five guns and a lot of German infantry solders. Hence, during twenty days in December 1943, Jr. Lt. Ivan Golub scored seven wins over newest German Panzers (Panthers and Tigers). Unfortunately, on January 5, 1944 in a combat near Gordeevka village, Shitomir area Ivan Golub died. In his last combat he destroyed several Pak guns. Ivan Golub was awarded as a Hero of the Soviet Union.
In the course of the Vistula-Oder operation the 52nd Russian Guard Tank Brigade of the 3rd Guard Tank Army was rapidly advancing forward. Germans decided to repel Russian offensive. At the dawn of February 9, 1945, fourty Stukas bombers appeared in the air above the Russian Tank Brigade. Owning to the excellent skills of the tank crews, the Tank Brigade avoided any casualties. The numerical strength of the 52nd Tank Brigade at that moment was around 35-40 tanks. And let’s imagine how 40 Stukas attacked 35-40 Russian tanks and didn’t destroy a single tank. That was not a single case but mass evidence of the demonstrated outstanding skills of the Russian tank crews. Having crossed Vistula River, the tank Batalion of Major Golomidov (52th Guard Tank Brigade) stationed in the edge of a forest. Two T-34/85 of Sr. Lt. Tokarev and Lt. Krainov were hidden in ambush in 1,5 km from the main forces of the Batalion.
In the morning, after air reconnaissance, twenty Panzers including Tigers and Panthers and German Panzer grenadiers shown up. Russian tank crews allowed Germans to come closer and at the distance of 500 meters opened fire. As a result of this combat, fourteen German Panzers were knocked out (8 Panzers by the crew of the Sr. Lt. Tokarev and 6 Panzers by the crew of Lt. Krainov). Germans retreated with heavy casualties (apart 14 Panzers a lot of Panzer Grenadiers and solders were killed). Lt. Krainov, gunner Komarichev and loader Djaparidze were awarded Gold Star of the Hero of the Soviet Union. In this combat Germans had 10:1 advantage.

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Post by Igorn » 24 Dec 2004 14:43

Some other unique achievements of the Russian Tank aces:

1. Victor Akimov, a tank commander of the 83th Tank Regiment in January 1944 attacked the German airfield near Viska station (Kirovograd area) and destroyed 3 Flak guns and 12 German aircrafts!

2. From the award paper of the T-70 (light tank, 9.2 tons weight, 2 men crew, 45-mm gun) commander Jr. Lieutenant A. Pegov: “… On March 26, 1944… being on reconnaissance, Jr. Lieutenant noticed moving column of the German Panthers tanks. Having ordered his driver to hide in ambush, Pegov prepared his gun for attack and was waiting in ambush… From the distance of 200 meters, Jr. Lieutenant penetrated side armor of the first Panther and then destroyed the second Panther blocking the road for remaining tanks and actually made a German counter-attack a failure…”

3. During Kursk battle of 1943 was registered case when unkwown crew of the Soviet T-70M (light tank, 45mm gun) tank outflanked German Ferdinand and with six shots destroyed a Ferdinand. No one shell penetrated thick Ferdinand armor but Ferdinand’s ammo detonated and it blew up from inside.

4. On July19, 1943, two light Russian T-70 tanks of 97th Tank Brigade near village Izotovo suddenly encountered three German Tiger which appeared from the hill. First Tiger knocked out one T-70 but soon after that the side armor of this Tiger was penetrated by another T-70 of the Jr. Sergeant Trubin.

5. In January 1943, near Leningrad, a Russian T-50 tank outflanked a group of German Tigers and managed to burn three Tigers when they were filling their tanks with gasoline.

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Post by G. Trifkovic » 24 Dec 2004 15:30

Great info,Igorn! As you said earlier,it's sad that the brave deeds of those tankists were not noted and aknowleged before! Which sources did you use?
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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 24 Dec 2004 16:08

Yes , indeed nice fairy tales for christmas ....


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Post by Michael Kenny » 24 Dec 2004 16:18

I was expecting the last reply on this thread!
We have countless tales of German tankers destroying whole Regiments of Russian tanks with impunity but the minute the reverse is claimed it seems the common sense needed to evaluate such claims (something sadly lacking when reading and accepting German accounts) returns!
Is the posted information on Russian aces correct? I doubt it because it has been shown that all tank crews inflated their true kill rate. However it seems that the Russian claims are far more realistic when compared to the German claims for wholesale destruction of Allied tanks.
I would accept claims of 10 kills before any of 100+.

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Post by Ace31 » 24 Dec 2004 17:39

Michael Kenny wrote:I would accept claims of 10 kills before any of 100+.


This is your opinion, that I (obviously) respetc but non share.
We always talking about best German aces, and never about all tankers that could sure catch up the number of 10, more or less kills.
Look at the number of Russian tankers in the first posts...do you know a similar number of Germans ?

Igorn, very interesting infos :wink:

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Post by Sbf.Koch » 24 Dec 2004 18:47

Michael Kenny wrote:I would accept claims of 10 kills before any of 100+.


Michael Wittmann is a good example. All kills were confirmed, so why doubt them? Ok, take 10 off, then you still have an impressive number!!
And never forget the fact that - no matter what you say - that german tanks had far greater killing capability than a sherman, t-34 or what tank the allies ever fielded. Don't start about reliability or mobility or whatever, I am talking about the killing capability only. Put one (like a Tiger) in the hands of a Wittmann and theere you got your 'unbelievable' score.

One more thing: Wittmann and a lot of other aces used up several tanks, a fact most people tend to forget.

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Post by Michael Kenny » 24 Dec 2004 19:11

Quote:


" Michael Wittmann is a good example. All kills were confirmed, so why doubt them? "




Well you just proved my point for me. In Normandy is is possible to prove BEYOND ANY DOUBT that the total kills credited to Wittmann could not possibly be correct.
Therefore his case is proof positive German kill claims were not THOROUGH, were not CONFIRMED and were not in any way superior to any other tankers CLAIMS.

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Post by RoW » 24 Dec 2004 19:15

Sbf.Koch wrote:
Michael Kenny wrote:I would accept claims of 10 kills before any of 100+.


Michael Wittmann is a good example. All kills were confirmed, so why doubt them? Ok, take 10 off, then you still have an impressive number!!
And never forget the fact that - no matter what you say - that german tanks had far greater killing capability than a sherman, t-34 or what tank the allies ever fielded. Don't start about reliability or mobility or whatever, I am talking about the killing capability only. Put one (like a Tiger) in the hands of a Wittmann and theere you got your 'unbelievable' score.

One more thing: Wittmann and a lot of other aces used up several tanks, a fact most people tend to forget.

/Sbf.Koch


Have you any lists? How about a submarine which he "sank"? :)

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Post by Uninen » 24 Dec 2004 19:21

Igorn wrote:And these 5, 7 or 10 wins were achieved mainly over Tigers or Panthers.

Funnily enough after Communist learned about the existance of Pather, Tiger and Ferdinand "all" (well many more than the reality at least..) Panzers destroyed were claimed as "Panther" / "Tiger" and all SPG's as "Ferdinand"..

(IE Stugs claimed as Ferdinands and Panzer III / IV claimed as Tigers / Panthers..)

Also didnt the Russian doctrine demand that tanks should not combat German armor, and that if Panzers were detected they should retreat and use SPG's to combat the German vehicles?

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Post by RoW » 24 Dec 2004 19:35

Uninen wrote:
Igorn wrote:And these 5, 7 or 10 wins were achieved mainly over Tigers or Panthers.

Funnily enough after Communist learned about the existance of Pather, Tiger and Ferdinand "all" (well many more than the reality at least..) Panzers destroyed were claimed as "Panther" / "Tiger" and all SPG's as "Ferdinand"..

(IE Stugs claimed as Ferdinands and Panzer III / IV claimed as Tigers / Panthers..)


You wrong... :) About SPG... They called SPG as Ferdinand, if SPG had a similar silhuette (for example 8,8 sm Pak auf GW 3/4). Stugs and other armor vehicles with similar silhuette (for example Hetzer) they called Artshturm. And I think tankers knew the difference between Pz. 3 and Tiger. :) But what about endless IS-3 and KV-85 in reports of German tankers?

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Post by bryson109 » 24 Dec 2004 19:44

Actually the Russian and Western Allies did claim the wrong vehicles as kills. "Tiger" to the Allies came to mean anything big with a big gun or even any German armour in general.

I'm sure the Germans also claimed the wrong vehicles as kills as well.

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Post by Sbf.Koch » 24 Dec 2004 19:55

RoW wrote:Have you any lists? How about a submarine which he "sank"? :)


and

Well you just proved my point for me. In Normandy is is possible to prove BEYOND ANY DOUBT that the total kills credited to Wittmann could not possibly be correct.
Therefore his case is proof positive German kill claims were not THOROUGH, were not CONFIRMED and were not in any way superior to any other tankers CLAIMS.


I hereby quote Marcus Wendel:

Marcus Wendel wrote:TANK KILLERS

Contributors; Ron Klages, David C. Clarke, Erich Brown, Steve Eckardt, John S.

1.Kurt Knispel –168 Kills (sPzAbt. 503)
2.Otto Carius – 150+ Kills (sPzAbt. 502)–Tiger I--Knight's Cross 5/4/44, Oak Leaves 7/27/44.
3.Johannes (Hans) Bolter-- 139 Kills (possibly 144) (sPzAbt. 502) Tigers– Knight's Cross 4/16/44, Oak Leaves 9/10/44.
4.Michael Wittman – 138 Kills (sS.S.PzAbt. 101 Liebstandarte)–Tiger I–Knight's Cross 1/14/44, Oak Leaves 1/14/44 with Swords, 6/25/44.
5.Hans Sandrock – 123 Kills (assorted AFV last unit HJ )
6.Paul Egger – 113 Kills (s SS Pz. Abt. 102)–Tigers– Knight's cross 4/28/45
7.Fritz Lang– 113 Kills (StuG. Abt. 232)
8.Arno Giesen – 111 Kills (Das Reich)
9.Oberfahnrich Rondorf—106 kills (sPzAbt. 503)–Tigers
10.Feldwebel Gaetner ( Gartner?)– 103 Kills (sPzAbt. 503)–Tigers
11.Karl Koener – 100+ Kills (sS.S.PzAbt. 503)–Tigers–Knight's Cross 4/29/44.
12.Albert Kerscher – 100+ Kills (sPzAbt. 502)–Tigers–Knight's Cross 10/23/44.
13.Balthazar (Bobby) Woll–100+ Kills, 81 as Gunner (sSS Pz. Abt. 101)–Knight's Cross–1/16/44.
14.Helmut Wendorff—84 Kills (sS.S.Pz Abt.101)–Tigers–Knight's Cross 2/12/44.
15.Ernst Barkmann—82+ Kills (Das Reich)—Panther–Knight's Cross 8/27/44.
16.Eric Litztke—76 Kills (sPzAbt. 509)--Tigers– Knight's Cross 10/20/44
17.Hermann Bix – 75+ Kills (4th Panzer Division)–Knight's Cross 3/22/45.
18.Hans Strippel – 70 Kills (4. / II/ PzAbt. 1, 1st Pz. Division)–Pz. IV–Knight's Cross 6/4/44.
19.Emil Seibold – 69 Kills (Das Reich)–Pz IV+ Captured T-34s
20.Wilhelm Knauth—68 Kills (sPzAbt. 505)–Tigers–Knight's Cross 11/14/43.
21.Hugo Primozic– 68 Kills (StuG Abt. 667)–Knight's Cross 9/25/42, Oak Leaves 1/25/43.
22.Karl Bromann – 66 Kills (sS.S.PzAbt. 503)–Tigers.
23.Josef William (Sepp) Brandner – 61 Kills (StuG Brigade 912)–Knight's Cross 1/17/45, Oak Leaves 4/30/45.
24.Hans-Bobo von Rohr – 58 Kills (25 Pz. Abt., 7th Pz. Division)–Knight's Cross 11/15/44, Oak leaves 4/8/45 (Posthumously).
25.Karl Heinz Warmbrunn-- 57 Kills, 44 as gunner (s SS Pz. Abt. 101)–Tigers
26.Albert Ernst–55 Kills–(s.Pz. Jgr. Abt. 519)--Nashorn–Knight's Cross–2/7/44.
27.Richard Engelmann—54 Kills (StuG Abt. 912)–Knight's Cross 7/22/44.
28.Heinz Kling–51 Kills (s SS Pz. Abt. 101)--Tigers.
29.Johann Muller–50 Kills ((sPz. Abt. 502)--Tigers–Knight's Cross 10/23/44.
30.Josef Dallmeier—50 Kills (Fhr. PzJager Kp.1183)–Hetzer–Knight's Cross 4/3/45(?).
31.Walter Feibig—50+ Kills (StuG Brigade 301)
32.Heinz Kramer – 50+ Kills (sPzAbt. 502)–Tigers–Knight's Cross 10/6/44.
33.Alfredo Carpaneto – 50+ Kills (sPzAbt. 502)–Tigers–Knight's Cross 3/28/45.
34.Oberleutnant Mausberg – 50+ Kills (s.Pz. Abt. 505)–Tigers.
35.Wolfgang Hans Heimer Paul von Bostell–48 Kills–( Pz. Jgr. Kp. 1023, Pz. Jgr. Abt. 205)–Knight's Cross 9/2/44, Oak Leaves 4/30/45.
36.Jurgen Brandt—47 Kills (sS.S.Abt. 101)–Tigers.
37.Heinz Deutsch – 44 Kills (Fsch. StuG Brigade 12) Knight's Cross 4/28/45.
38.Fritz Amling—42+ Kills (in 48 Hrs. with StuG Brigade 202) Knight's Cross 12/5/42.
39.Heinz Scharf—40+ Kills (StuG Brigade 202) Knight's Cross 9/5/44.
40.Walter Oberloskamp – 40+ Kills (StuG Brigade 667) Knight's Cross 5/15/43.
41.Fredrich Tadje—39 Kills (StuG Abt. 190) Knight's Cross 10/24/42.
42.Rudolf Roy—36 Kills (12 S.S. PanzerJager Abt. HJ)–JP IV–Knight's Cross 10/16/44.
43.Gottwald Stier—30+ Kills (StuG Brigade 667) Knight's Cross (date unknown).
44.Josef Trager – 30+ Kills (StuG Brigade 667) Knight's Cross (date unknown).
45.Richard Schram—30 Kills (StuG Brigade 202) Knight's Cross 12/12/42.
46.Karl Pfreundtner—30 Kills (StuG Abt. 244) Knight's Cross 9/18/42.
47.Karl Heinrich Banze – 24 Kills (13 on one day StuG Abt. 244) Knight's Cross 5/27/42.
48.Felix Adamowitsch –23 Kills (in an 8 day period, StuG Abt. 244) Knight's Cross 10/20/44.
49.Eugen Metzger—23 Kills (StuG Abt. 203) Knight's Cross 9/29/41.
50.Hauptmann Rade –23 Kills (StuG Abt. 244)
51.Heinrich Teriete – 22 Kills (in one engagement, sPzJgAbt. 653) Knight's Cross 7/22/43.
52.Franz Staudegger—22+ Kills (sS.S.Pz Abt. 101) Knight's Cross 7/10/43.
53.Franz Kretshmer – 21 Kills (sPzJgAbt. 653) Knight's Cross 12/17/43
54.Horst Naumann—21 Kills (StuG Abt. 184) Knight's Cross 1/4/43
55.Klaus Wagner – 18 Kills (in two days, StuG Abt. 667)
56.Hermann Feldheim—16 Kills (sPzJgAbt. 654)
57.Heinrich Engel –15 Kills (StuG Abt. 259) Knight's Cross 11/7/43
58. Rudolf von Ribbentrop– 14 Kills (LSSAH+ HJ) Knight's Cross 7/20/43.
59. Wachtmeister Moj–12 Kills (StuG Abt. 190)
60. Siegfried Freyer– 11 Kills in one engagement (Pz. Abt. 24) Knight's Cross 7/23/43.
61. Alfred Reginitor–10 Kills (StuG Abt. 279) Knight's Cross (date unknown).


And a lot more lists which I've seen show these numbers. Even if they were not 100% accurate, I simply do not believe they were exaggerated that much. You really think ALL these numbers were exaggerated like you claim them to be?

/Sbf.Koch

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Post by RoW » 24 Dec 2004 20:11

I simply do not believe they were exaggerated that much


It's not an argument. I think we must check every separate episode of battle, if it's possible. And Soviet, and German...

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