Belgian Army vehicles, 1940

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Belgian Army vehicles, 1940

Postby nuyt » 30 Dec 2004 10:14

Hello,

I have published some small articles and vehicle ID requests on Belgian military vehicles in 1940 at the Overvalwagen Forum http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333

FN Tricar's, Vickers tractors, Staff cars are among these. Be welcome to comment on the Overvalwagen Forum or on this one of course!

Most wanted are pics of the various brands of Belgian military trucks in the 1930s, like FN, Miesse and Brossel. Besides some few pics iin Vanderveen's books I have not been able to find much. Who knows some?

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Postby Bill Murray » 23 Jan 2005 17:08

Nuyt, I will try again here. I do not know the make yet,
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Postby David Lehmann » 23 Jan 2005 17:39

Bill,

On your photo from the French army around 1935 :
- the first vehicle towing a 75mm Mle1897 (on a 'train rouleur' = additional wheels, from Citroen) is a Renault YFDB (3.5t, diesel, 1933).
- the second vehicle carrying horses is a Pierce-Arrow
- and finally, not clearly visible on your pic comes a Mathis car mounting a Saint-Etienne Mle1907 AAMG.

This photo has been plublished in "L'automobile sous l'uniforme" by François Vauvillier.

The French army of 1940 used Belgian motorcycles and side-cars from Gillet-Herstal and FN-Herstal.
In Spring 1940 some Brossel TAL (heavy trucks to tow heavy artillery, 20-30t trailers and to tow damaged vehicles) were tested in Vincennes. They proved better than the Latil TAR H2 (as concluded on 25th April 1940) used to tow heavy guns but it was not ordered. (there is a small sideview photo of the Brossel TAL in the same book).

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Postby Bill Murray » 23 Jan 2005 17:55

Thanks David:

I don't even remember where I got the photo from but it was sitting in a pile of "unidentified stuff" and for some reason I thought it was Belgian. For sure, my knowledge of French vehicles needs some work.
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Postby Patrice » 24 Jan 2005 15:08

Hello nuyt.
A photo of a Belgian C47 Staff car captured and used by Germans in May 1940.
This model of Ford/Marmon-Herrington was built on a frame of Ford V8 by the factory Ford Antwerpen.
Photo from "Mai 1940"Belgique Loisirs.
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Merci Patrice!

Postby nuyt » 24 Jan 2005 18:19

I have seen several pics of this type but never this particular picture. Thanks!
I see you are from Liege, FN-town. Do you know if there were ever books published on Belgian trucks like FN etc?
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Postby Sander D » 24 Jan 2005 20:14

Have you seen these to Nuyt,there from an expired E-bay sale.

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Bedankt!

Postby nuyt » 24 Jan 2005 21:16

Wow, Sander, bedankt!
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Postby Bill Murray » 24 Jan 2005 21:48

Try again: Not military but for sure impressed by the Germans later on. 1934 Belgian Chev's
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Postby David Lehmann » 25 Jan 2005 00:11

Hello,

Here is the photo of the Brossel TAL I talked about (but I don't know if it was issued to the Belgian army).

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Postby Patrice » 25 Jan 2005 08:22

Hello nuyt.
Sorry,I do not know if a book devoted to the trucks of the F.N were published,but several books on the motor bikes built in the area of Liege were published.
Like "Quand la FN avait deux roues" of Guy de Becker or "La Maison Saroléa" by Guy de Becker et Marc Lepoudre (Verviers : Nostalgia, 2001. - 255 p. : ill. ; 22 x 30 cm. - ISBN 2-930277-03-3: 45 EUR)
Here a link on the F.N. Military Motor Bike
http://www.appeldephare.com/motos/mmb1.html
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Belgian vehicles

Postby nuyt » 25 Jan 2005 19:05

Bill, thanks for that Chev ad.

David, thanks for the Brossel TAL pic. Yes, I can confirm a number was indeed used by the Belgian Army in 1940.

Patrice, thanks for those links. I knew about the FN moto link already. I used it to write an article on the FN Tricar: http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?f ... 1104089817

On the same forum there are articles/posts/threads on Belgian Vickers tractors, artillery and post-war Congo vehicles.

The truck pictures are quite rare. I also inquired at the Brussels automobile museum, but they confirmed there are probably no books on the subject. Anyway, it's much more interesting to search around for a hard to find subject, then for one that has already been "afgelikt".

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Nuyt

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Postby Patrice » 07 Feb 2005 12:01

Hello nuyt.
Three photos from "Mai 40 la campagne des dix-huit jours"
The surrender of a column of the Belgian army at Eeklo.
A F.N Tricar at Wingene.
The surrender in Torhout of a truck of the 8°Infantry Division towing a A/T gun of 47mm.
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wow!

Postby nuyt » 07 Feb 2005 18:12

Great pics,
thanks Patrice!
A Chevy in the first pic, the rest are all Fords? Bill?
Greetings,
Nuyt

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Postby Bill Murray » 07 Feb 2005 20:17

Well, Nuyt:
I have to admit I am a little stuck. The long range photo shows, 2nd vehicle, a 1939 Chev and then the two out of line seem for sure to be Fords. The leading vehicle in that photo and the one in the single photo sure look American by the wheels but the louvres in the bonnets do not fit any Ford photos I have.
I would only be guessing for the moment but might be Chevs, might be Opels and could even be a small FN, if FN made trucks that small. A lot of those 1.5 tonne trucks looked very similar in those days as they were all supplied as chassis-cowl and the bodies were put on as they were sold. I dwill keep looking.
Bill


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