Ion Antonescu Executed (Graphic)

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Ion Antonescu Executed (Graphic)

Post by Rauli » 09 Jan 2005 20:55

(Graphic) Romanian War Criminal Ion Antonescu Executed.

From: [link removed]

Moderators, please remove this if you find videoclip inappropriate for forum policies.

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Post by Marcus » 09 Jan 2005 21:09

I don't want links to that kind of sites here.

If anyone wants to see that clip, I'm sure Rauli will provide the address if you contact him through pm.

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Post by Victor » 10 Jan 2005 14:16

This report was found by Stejarel Olaru in the archives of the CNSAS (The National Council for the Study of the Security's Archive) and was published in the book: Memorialul Apocalipsei by Liviu Valenas, Editura Saeculum, Bucharest, 2002

In the Jilava prison, the following convicts await their execution:
Marshal Ion Antonescu
Mihai Antonescu
Gheorghe Alexianu
General Picky Vasiliu

Saturday, 1 June 1946, 1600 hours, Mrs. Maria Antonescu arrived from Bucharest in a car and brought her husband and the others, at their request, 16 meters of tricolor ribbons [in the Romanian national colors].

She came free and spoke to her husband [marshal Ion Antonescu] for about and hour, sitting at a table under the supervision of an agent and of a gendarme.

Before 1700 hours a priest came and gave all the convicts the Eucharist, with the exception of Ion Antonescu who refused and said: Forgive me father, but I refuse the Eucharist because I have Mihai Antonescu on my conscience. He should have stayed at the University where he was one of the best professors, but I am guilty of taking him in the Government.

They were taken under a heavy prison guard escort to the execution site, in the so-called Peach Trees' Valley, allowing only the gendarmes, which were standing guard, and some Russian and Romanian camera operators and journalists to assist.

The convicts stood willingly near the execution poles.

The firing squad, formed from prison guards and gendarmes, took up a U shaped formation and the State Attorney read slowly and in a loud voice the sentence to the convicts.

The State Attorney then asked for their last wishes.
The convicts answered:
Ion Antonescu asked to be executed by the army, not by prison guards, but he was refused, to which he replied: Scumbags, scumbags!
Mihai Antonescu said he had nothing to say. Being completely exhausted.
Alexianu the same
General Picky Vasiliu wished to be shot by his gendarmes, which had gathered to see him. The State Attorney refused. Vasiliu then said: Attention Gendarmes and saluted them and then said Good bye! waving his hand. Then he added: I ask the State Attorney to ask the comrades prison guards to aim good and not make me suffer. Then he asked to cover his eyes, to which the guards replied: We do not have anything to cover them so he took off his gray scarf and said: use my scarf.

Then the command for the execution was given. The weapons were loaded and when they were fired the Marshal saluted by raising his hat with the right hand, after which they all fell down. The Marshal immediately rose up, leaning on his elbow and said: You didn't shoot me gentlemen, fire!, after which the chief guard went with his pistol to Antonescu and shot him in the head. The doctor consulted them and came to the conclusion that the Marshal and Vasiliu were still alive. The chief guard fired another shot in the chest of Antonescu and then of Vasiliu and the doctor examined them and said they still weren't dead. The chief guard went again to Vasiliu, but his pistol jammed when he tried to fire it. He took a rifle from one of the guards and fired one shot in Vasiliu's head, but then it also jammed.

He changed it with another one and fired another 3 shots in different parts of Vasiliu's body and then went to the Marshal and fired 3 shots in his chest. The doctor examined them and said that Antonescu was dead, but Vasiliu was still alive.

Again the guard fired a shot in Vasiliu's head. The result: Vasiliu's brains were coming out of his head, but he was still moving and saying something we couldn't understand.

The guard went again to to him and fired two shots in the head and after this the doctor said that Vasiliu too was dead.

They were carried on stretchers to a van, which took them away.

From the moment when the convicts left the cells and until their bodies were loaded into the buses, they were filmed by two cameras operated by a Romanian and a Russian.

Name of the guard: Furgina

Observations: for the execution, 17 guards volunteered and only 12 were picked.

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Post by David Thompson » 10 Jan 2005 17:03

There are a series of photographs of the execution of Ion Antonescu and others by firing squad in the photo collection of the US Holocaust Memorial Museum at: http://www.ushmm.org/research/collections/
Go to photographs and key in Antonescu as the search term.

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Post by notimetowaste » 10 Jan 2005 22:46

Exactly what were they guilty of which had them get shot by traitors who couldn't shoot their way out of a wet paper bag?

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Post by knieptang » 10 Jan 2005 23:02

I understand, why the other link was removed by a moderator of this very forum, this is abosolutely OKAY to me, I do not like the "motivations" behind these kind of internet sites, sick material for more than sick people.

I looked at Davids link, looked at just two pictures, to me more than enough, a "monster" is murdered, not executed, the movie I would not like to see, never.

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Post by PanzerKing » 11 Jan 2005 20:03

So it's ok to show a pic of a dead Mussolini or common soldiers on the battle field, but not Ion Antonescu? What gives?

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Post by Marcus » 11 Jan 2005 20:08

PanzerKing wrote:So it's ok to show a pic of a dead Mussolini or common soldiers on the battle field, but not Ion Antonescu? What gives?


Each case must be judged individually and in this case I decided that the movie was not something we wanted to have linked to here.
Below is what David Thompson wrote on a similar matter.

David Thompson wrote:Atrocity photographs are not specifically covered in the forum rules. The policy here is, if the photos are "graphic," the contributor should post a link to the photographs, rather than the photographs themselves, so that the other viewers have a choice as to whether or not to take a look.

That leaves us with the question of what is "graphic." This is apparently discretionary with the moderator/host. Here's my view on it:

I don't care who is supposed to have committed the atrocities in the photographs. Whether the subject matter is Nazi, communist, ethnic, regional, racial, religious or any other type of atrocity, links and descriptions should be posted for the following classes of photographs and illustrations:

(a) Mutilated persons, alive or dead;

(b) Severed body parts, insufficient in themselves to constitute a person; and

(c) Dead persons who are not only dead, but who clearly appear to be the worse for wear.

There are specialty sites which cater to necro-voyeurs, but this isn't one of them. In case of doubt, ask first via private message.

Nocomplying posts will be deleted without warning.


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"war criminal" label debatable

Post by Tudor » 13 Jan 2005 17:47

PanzerKing wrote:So it's ok to show a pic of a dead Mussolini or common soldiers on the battle field, but not Ion Antonescu? What gives?


I tend to agree with the administrator here. Having seen Antonescu's execution before I think it's probably more disturbing than any static pic of hanged Mussolini. That is, however, more or less subjective.

Nevertheless, I think many Romanians, including myself would object to the "war criminal" label pinned on the Marshall by the starter of this thread. Antonescu has not been tried by the international court in Nurenberg. He was tried by a rigged tribunal instituted by the pro-russian Comunsit party which had "won" the previous elections by massive fraud. This is not an attempt to clear Antonescu of all guilt for Romania's wartime behaviour. But I do think he did what he had to do to preserve our country's chances of successfully surviving the war. All concessions that had to be made to Germany, inluding some on the situation of Romanian Jews were subbordinate to that objective. He definitely did not like Jews, but he was not consumed by the permanent preocupation of finding ways to oppress and exterminate them or others.

Anyway, no matter what one might think about Antonescu, he was convicted by an illegitimate court, working for an illegitimate government and many of the surviving officers of the Royal Romanian Army still revere him as the embodyment of the virtues and qualities of the traditional Romanian officer corps. I would also want to point out that Antonescu's services to our country go far behind WWII, stretching back to the years of WWI. He was a true career officer, not some improvised politician dwelling on his own extremist ideology.

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Post by ihoyos » 13 Jan 2005 20:38

May be there are lot of coincidences with the fates of Antenescu and Ceceascu.
Both dictators
Both follow rules of foreign countries
Both kill his own people
Both executed by fired squad
and if was ilegal the Antonescu trial, that was very similar to Ceceascu trial.

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Post by rcristi2271 » 13 Jan 2005 21:19

ihoyos wrote:May be there are lot of coincidences with the fates of Antenescu and Ceceascu.
Both dictators
Both follow rules of foreign countries
Both kill his own people
Both executed by fired squad
and if was ilegal the Antonescu trial, that was very similar to Ceceascu trial.


Man I don't like it but I have to agree with you on that.

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Post by Daniel S. » 13 Jan 2005 21:38

May be there are lot of coincidences with the fates of Antenescu and Ceceascu.
Both dictators
Both follow rules of foreign countries
Both kill his own people
Both executed by fired squad
and if was ilegal the Antonescu trial, that was very similar to Ceceascu trial.


I agree with few points but I must add that it's still a difference in human quality between them. Ceausescu was an illiterate comunist leader, while Antonescu was a highly educated officer (having his sins though).

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Post by notimetowaste » 13 Jan 2005 21:56

I'm still waiting for someone to fully demonstrate how Marshall Antonescu was a criminal.

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Post by Tudor » 14 Jan 2005 20:59

I've already stated that I'm not trying to cover facts up by oversimplification. I was simply trying to point out that there is much more to the man than that hasty "war criminal" label. I also believe that it is up to Romanian society to decide on the perception of their leaders (and by Romanian society I also mean Jews, Gypsies and other groups which may have suffered under his regime). But that Judgement is yet to be passed. Even from the legal point of view the issue is debatable (as I have stated in my previous post). As for your 5 particular comments my reply is as follows:
ihoyos wrote:Both dictators

quite self-evident
ihoyos wrote:Both follow rules of foreign countries

Antonescu followed the rules of military honor, as it was preceived among the higher ranks of the Romanian Royal Army at that time (btw, this would be very similar to 19th century formal military honor). He also folllowed the rule that Romania had to survive the war and hold on or recapture Romanian inhabited territory just recently absorbed into the Romanian Kingdom (at a very high cost during WWI). Germany seemed the lesser evil at the time.
ihoyos wrote:Both kill his own people

The Russians killed our people
ihoyos wrote:Both executed by fired squad

True
ihoyos wrote:and if was ilegal the Antonescu trial, that was very similar to Ceceascu trial.

Also true

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