Hybrid Tigers
Hybrid Tigers
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I would like to know more about the Tiger 411 (picture attached) belonged to schwere panzer-kompanie Hummel. It seems an hybrid model, with ealry production main features and a late type steel roadwheels. I'm looking for any further info (or photo) about that and other hybrid Tigers... When it was rebuilt? Zimmerit coating? A possible camo scheme?
...I'm wondering if late in the war there was an official rebuilding program of early tigers with an established number of advanced features to add to the tanks, or if these veichles were simply a result of custom work done by manteinance crews, maybe mixing parts from different veichles...
Thanks in advance.
Best Regards,
Luciano B
I would like to know more about the Tiger 411 (picture attached) belonged to schwere panzer-kompanie Hummel. It seems an hybrid model, with ealry production main features and a late type steel roadwheels. I'm looking for any further info (or photo) about that and other hybrid Tigers... When it was rebuilt? Zimmerit coating? A possible camo scheme?
...I'm wondering if late in the war there was an official rebuilding program of early tigers with an established number of advanced features to add to the tanks, or if these veichles were simply a result of custom work done by manteinance crews, maybe mixing parts from different veichles...
Thanks in advance.
Best Regards,
Luciano B
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The last 54 Tigers from the production lines were 'made' using 54 recycled hulls and 32 recycled turrets. However these were all upgraded by retro-fitting all the improvements to that date so in theory they should look like a final version Tiger.
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Units that recieved these recycled Tigers were:
(FKL) 301- 20
GD- 10
507- 11
Ersatzheer- 3
SS Ersatzheer- 7
Kummersdorf- 5
I know that is 56 but that is the issue record in Jentz!
In the field it is known from photos that turrets and hulls of all makes were mixed and matched to make virtualy any combination of a 'late/early/mid' Tiger as well as the 54 recycled examples.
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Units that recieved these recycled Tigers were:
(FKL) 301- 20
GD- 10
507- 11
Ersatzheer- 3
SS Ersatzheer- 7
Kummersdorf- 5
I know that is 56 but that is the issue record in Jentz!
In the field it is known from photos that turrets and hulls of all makes were mixed and matched to make virtualy any combination of a 'late/early/mid' Tiger as well as the 54 recycled examples.
Tiger I on the Western Front has some pics and info. There is another pic of Tiger 411 as well as a pic of another hybrid, tiger 111 and a colour profile of tiger 407 (also a hybrid).
Kompanie Fehrmann set up in Jan, 45' was issued 5 Panthers and 6 Tiger Is, all hybrids. There are two colour profiles and 5 pictures of the units hybrid tigers in the book.
Kompanie Fehrmann set up in Jan, 45' was issued 5 Panthers and 6 Tiger Is, all hybrids. There are two colour profiles and 5 pictures of the units hybrid tigers in the book.
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Strangely it is not evident number '111' is a hybrid. Nothing in the posted photo indicates it is anything but a normal early Tiger. Both chassis and turret are early and there are no road wheels left to say if they were rubber or steel wheeled. There are 2 photos of it from the other side.
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Where found Restayn the example/Photo for the illustration of an Tiger 407 from Hummel/sPzAbt.506. I never saw a picture of Tiger 407, or is it a phantasie illustration?
Somewhere he found out Tiger 407 was a early Tiger with steelwheels, had this color of turret number and had this cammo. Can someone lead me to the photo he saw?
Somewhere he found out Tiger 407 was a early Tiger with steelwheels, had this color of turret number and had this cammo. Can someone lead me to the photo he saw?
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"Where found Restayn the example/Photo for the illustration of an Tiger 407 from Hummel/sPzAbt.506. I never saw a picture of Tiger 407, or is it a phantasie illustration?
Somewhere he found out Tiger 407 was a early Tiger with steelwheels, had this color of turret number and had this cammo. Can someone lead me to the photo he saw? "
Restayn has produced some really strange illustrations. He seems to have an extensive collection of reference photos and tends to use the details from several vehicles to make one 'painting'. Thus while some of the small detail is correct it does not seem that they are really accurate depictions of any specific vehicle.
Other times he gets it completely wrong and his paintings should not really be relied upon as a reference. In his book TOTWF (English version) on page 92 he says '009' of SS 101 was rubber wheeled but the photo of '009' on page 100 clearly shows it to have steel wheels (actualy '008' had the rubber wheels)
"Where found Restayn the example/Photo for the illustration of an Tiger 407 from Hummel/sPzAbt.506. I never saw a picture of Tiger 407, or is it a phantasie illustration?
Somewhere he found out Tiger 407 was a early Tiger with steelwheels, had this color of turret number and had this cammo. Can someone lead me to the photo he saw? "
Restayn has produced some really strange illustrations. He seems to have an extensive collection of reference photos and tends to use the details from several vehicles to make one 'painting'. Thus while some of the small detail is correct it does not seem that they are really accurate depictions of any specific vehicle.
Other times he gets it completely wrong and his paintings should not really be relied upon as a reference. In his book TOTWF (English version) on page 92 he says '009' of SS 101 was rubber wheeled but the photo of '009' on page 100 clearly shows it to have steel wheels (actualy '008' had the rubber wheels)
I have an older book from Restayn and the german title is"Panzer und Kettenfahrzeuge des zweiten Weltkriegs". The german version is from 1998 but it is possibly older in original version. Anyway, there he illustrated Tiger 007 correctly with steelwheels. Otherwise Restayn show the tiger 006 from sSSPzAbt.101 and said it was the second tank of the staff company, means in his theorie the staff company of SS 101 had the numbers 005, 006 and 007.
I think it is legitimate to have some little doubts on Restayn´s conclusions.
Back to the Hybrids, it seems the tiger 411 in ardennes is the only tiger from "Hummel" having steelwheels so far. But the rest of this tiger looks like it was simply an early tiger.
I think it is legitimate to have some little doubts on Restayn´s conclusions.
Back to the Hybrids, it seems the tiger 411 in ardennes is the only tiger from "Hummel" having steelwheels so far. But the rest of this tiger looks like it was simply an early tiger.
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