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Id Selbschutz 1939 Pommern

Post by chrish » 12 Feb 2005 16:56

Can anyone identify the Selbschutz-men in this photo from September 1939 (Pomorze, Poland). On the left:

Photo nr 1:

1. SS-Stub (with horsewhip) : Meier (Maier) ???
2. SS-U’Stuf ?
3. SS-O’Stub , probably Dr Hans Kolzow (later SS-Staf)
4. SS-Obf Ludolf von Alvensleben
5. SS-Staf Heinz Mozek (with goldenen Ehrenzeichen der NSDAP)
6. SS-Staf Ludolf von Alvensleben
7. SS-Stub ?
8. SS-O’Stub (with goldenen Ehrenzeichen der NSDAP)

Photo nr. 2:

1. SS-Staf Ludolf von Alvensleben
2. SS-O’Stub ?
3. SS-O’Stub Dr Hans Kolzow
4. SS-Stub ?

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Post by Georges JEROME » 12 Feb 2005 22:30

Chris,

Ist pic is very interesting. Never seen before the armband "Selbstschutz".
Selbstschutz was my first field of research.
I published an article in 1991 upon Selbstschutz in west Poland territories (in French).

To help you here a chart of Selbstschutz Westpreussen.

- Selbstschutz Führer : SS Oberf Ludolf von Alvensleben. (4)
Inspektion Bromberg Ostubaf Erich Sparmann
Inspektion Plutowa SS Staf Ludolf Jakob von Alvensleben (6)
Inspektion Strasburg SS Staf Alexander von Woedtke
Inspektion Konitz SS Staf Heinz Mocek
Inspektion Preuss. Stargard SS Stubaf Josef Meier
Inspektion Hohensalza SS Ostubaf Dr Hans Kolzow

best

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Post by Phil Nix » 13 Feb 2005 12:34

Here is a list of all Selbschutzführer to add to Georges post
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Post by chrish » 13 Feb 2005 13:31

Thank you for info about Selbschutz. I see ... nr 1 it is Josef Meier ....

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Post by Phil Nix » 13 Feb 2005 13:34

chrish wrote:Thank you for info about Selbschutz. I see ... nr 1 it is Josef Meier ....

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Post by chrish » 13 Feb 2005 13:57

Nr 8 could be SS-O’Stub Spaarmann (32), holder goldenen Ehrenzeichen der NSDAP. And nr 7 ? Not Wardemann (he promoted to Stub 30.1.42), not Paulsen (only O’Stuf and holder E.K II and goldenen Ehrenzeichen der NSDAP), possibly Schnug (but I can’t see his E.K. I) or Stub (20.4.39) Kippels (30).

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Post by Greyfinn » 15 Apr 2005 07:07

Hello,
Re-hotted thread...
I got this pic and caption is "Ludolf von Alvensleben with Selbstschutz inspection's leaders"

For clear situation I numbered persons:

1. SS-Ustuf ???
2. SS-O’Stub Dr Hans Kölzow (Inspektion III - Hohensalza)
3. SS-Obf Ludolf Herrmann von Alvensleben "Bubi" (later SS-Gruf - 9 November 1943)
4. SS-Staf Ludolf Jacob von Alvensleben (Inspektion II - Plutowo / Thorn)
5. SS-Stub Christian Schnug (Inspektion VI - Bromberg - since Dec 1939)
6. SS-Stub Josef Meier ("Blutmeier") (Inspektion V - Preußisch Stargard)
7. SS-Staf Heinz Mozek (Inspektion IV - Konitz)
8. SS-O’Stub Erich Spaarmann (Inspektion VI - Bromberg - until Nov 1939)

Nr 1 could be somebody from Straßburg : Woedtke, Paulsen or Wardemann.
Woedtke was SS-Staf in that time - so not...Wardman's promotios are unknown for me....maybe Karl Paulsen ?

....and photo nr 2:
From left to right:
Ludolf Jacob von Alvensleben, Erich Spaarmann, Dr Hans Kölzow and Christian Schnug

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Post by dylan » 15 Apr 2005 09:35

Good book in german but without pictures

Der Volksdeutsche Selbstschutz in Polen 1939-1940
Christian Jansen - Arno Weckbecker.

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Post by Doggowitz » 15 Apr 2005 13:03

What are these for strange Collartabs at Number 1? And on the first post this OSTUB. with opencollar?

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Post by Georges JEROME » 15 Apr 2005 21:30

I think collar tab was a Totenkopf with the number of the unit under it.

this indicate a former TK officer

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Post by Boby » 16 Apr 2005 10:52

What is the Selbstschutz?

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Post by Georges JEROME » 16 Apr 2005 12:30

the "Selbstschutzverein" were militia of the german community of Poland set up by the SS mainly in western areas of Poland where this community was established. At middle and high level, the staff was 100 % german SS.
They served as auxilliary for "security purpose" to germans authorities.
They were involved in a number of war crimes during actions to destroy spirit of resistance and anti german feelings through polish population : intelligentzia, patriots, priesters were the main target.
They acted mainly in the months following the Polandfeldzug in 1939.

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Post by Boby » 16 Apr 2005 13:46

Thanks JEROME!

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Post by Mikedc » 20 May 2005 22:22

So when I'm correct August Meier was never head of the Inspektion Preussisch Stargard, that officer was called Josef Meier.
Or is this the same person???

I've a August Meier in my files and he was connected to the Einsatzgruppen in 1941.
I've no Josef Meier in my files, who can give me some more info about that officer with the nickname 'Blutmeier'???


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Post by Georges JEROME » 21 May 2005 12:28

the authorized source Jansen/Weckbecker Der Volksdeutsche "selbstschutz" in Polen 1939 - 1940
and my own source confirm JOSEF Meier as Selbstschutz Führer

MEIER Josef was as Stubaf (Sonderführer) attached to HSSPF Ukraine on 10/42

SS 43276
PN 182 411

He was an allgemeine SS leader.


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