"Finnish Holocaust"...a comment from real expert. When Soviet Union was an ally of Nazi Germany that does not mean anything?LeoAU wrote:Ok, about Finnish holocaust.
First of all, Finns were allies of Nazi Germany and joined their attack on USSR. As Serb Tiger has already pointed out by doing so they freed part of German forces.
Again false accusation. But I'm glad you said it was "German agenda". Finland took part only in sieging of Soviet troops i.e. encirclements (called "motti" in Finnish). Nothing else. It was Soviet choice to keep industry of Leningrad running and majority of people in the city. They'd have 1.) time to evacuate whole Leningrad before it was nearly encircled 2.) time to evacuate the city during the so called "siege" because Leningrad was never fully encircled.LeoAU wrote:Secondly, they did took part in Leningrad siege. You can post all you want about how morally Finns behave - they bombed only 'military' targets. See, Germans agenda was to destroy Leningrad TOGETHER with its inhabitants, starve/freeze them to death. Accepting that only military objects were targeted, you still DID help your nazi ally to fulfill their objective.
Railway stations are typical military targets during the war. During Winter War Soviet bomber attacked numerous times against Finnish transport network. At the beginning of December 1939 my father was the eye-witness of such an attack against Elisenvaara junction and nearly got killed. That's called war.LeoAU wrote:But. You did bomb targes that were used to save civilians - rail station which were used to carry supplies to the city etc. You helped Germans in this too.
As I and the other Finns in this forum have already proved these actions didn't mean anything. The most important thing is that Finnish Navy didn't know anything about this plan before Germans announced that "your request has been accepted". Who made this request is a mystery because it was not done either by Finnish Naval Forces Staff or Chief HQ. Probably it was a German counter-move against our now rather passive activities in war? That's the way they behaved during the war. We didn't fully rely on Germans either.LeoAU wrote:As I have already posted you created flotilia to interrupt communication through lake. It DOESN'T matter how big/small the flotilia was, what is important that you tried to do it. If you had a battleship there or something you would've used it, you had little forces there, you used little forces.
LeoAU wrote:Please don't try to draw a nice picture how you only wanted your lands back and how human you were.
Good that you have Finnish sources. Hopefully you have also red the book, not just picked the raisins again...?LeoAU wrote:You placed over third of Slavic population on the Finnish occupied territory in concentration camps. Now, this proportion was never reached even by Germans. Please don't tell me that internment camps weren't conc camps. 1/5 of Karelian population died under Finnish occupation.
Source for numbers - Seppala, 'Finland as occupier'.
That is true, but you forget two things:
1.) the severe lack of food in Finland in 1941 and 1942 (one reason we turned to Germany)
2.) the weak health situation of Soviet civils in East-Karelia before Finns occupied that area
Most Soviet people were already starving. Majority of population was children, women and old men. That is not a typical composition of population and effects to the figures too. By 1943 the situation was improved a lot and mortality had dropped even below figures of Finland. I don't think this happened either in Germany or in USSR?
Younger brother of my grandfather died in tuberculosis in 1942. Not just hunger but deceases killed thousands of people, Finns, Karelians and Soviets, during the war. You can't count that all died Soviet civils were "killed by Finns in conc camps".
While you make such a noise with these figures I must remind you that figures of Soviet Union are much worse. The more serious is that in Soviet Union that same happened also during peace-time.