How the war was "won"

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How the war was "won"

Post by Werner Marty » 02 Mar 2005 05:33

How the war was "won"
Some people of today, also Germans, thinks that Germany was "liberated" in
1945. This is the truth about that so called liberation!

Vill du veta mer om den s.k. "befrielsen" - läs boken "Stalins hämnd" av
Niclas Sennerteg. Världshistoriens största statligt sanktionerade
massvåldtäkt avslöjas här.

The following is an excerpt from an eyewitness's account given by Leonora
Geier (born, October 22nd 1925, Sao Paulo, Brazil) to Dr. Trutz Foelsche,
Ph.D, the original account of which appeared in Deutsche Nationalzeitung,
No.17-65, p.7.

"On the morning of February, 16th, (1945) a Russian detachment occupied the
RAD (Reichsarbeitsdienst)camp Vilmsee near Neustettin. The Commissar told me
in good German language that the camp was dissolved and that we, as a unit
with uniforms (RAD - German Labour Service, not military uniforms), would be
transported to a collection camp. Since I, as a Brazilian citizen, belong to
an allied nation, he asked me to take over as a leader of the transport that
went to Neustettin, into the yard of a former iron foundry. We were about
500 girls (Maidens of the Reichsarbeitsdienst -- German Labor Service).

He said I could come into the orderly room, which I accepted. Immediately he
directed me to make no further contact with the other women, because they
were members of an illegal army. On my response that this was not true, he
cut me off with the remark that I would be shot immediately, if I would
repeat in any form a similar statement.

"Suddenly I heard loud screams, and promptly, five girls were brought in by
two Red Armists. The Commissar ordered them to undress. When they, in a
sense of shame, refused to d so, he ordered me to undress them and to follow
him with the girls. We walked through the yard to the former factory
kitchen, which was completely cleared out except for some tables along the
window wall. It was dreadfully cold and the unfortunate girls trembled. In
the huge tiled room several Russians waited for us who were obviously making
obscene remarks, because every word was followed by loud laughter. The
Commissar then directed me to watch how one makes sissies out of 'The Master
Race'.

Now two Poles, clad in trousers only, entered the room. At their sight the
girls cried out. Briskly, they seized the first of the two girls and bent
her over with her back over the edge of the table until her joints cracked.
I almost fainted when one of the men pulled his knife and cut off her right
breast in the presence of the other girls. I have never heard a human being
scream as desperately as this young woman. After this 'operation' both men
stabbed her several times in the abdomen, accompanied again by the howling
of the Russians.

The next girl cried for mercy, in vain; since she was exceptionally pretty.
I had the impression that the 'work' was carried out very slowly. The other
three girls were completely broken down, cried for their mothers and begged
for a speedy death, but also fate them overtook. The last of the girls was
still half a child, with barely developed breasts; one tore the flesh
literally from her ribs until the white bone appeared. Again, five girls
were brought in. This time, they had selected carefully.

All were developed and pretty. When they saw the bodies of their
predecessors, they began to cry and scream. Weak as they were, they tried to
defend themselves but to no avail; the Poles became more cruel every time.
One of the girls, they cut open her womb and trunk over the full length;
poured a can of machine oil into the mutilated body and tried to set fire to
it. Another was shot in the genitals by a Russian, before they cut off her
breasts.

A great howling began when someone brought a saw from a tool box. Now, using
the saw, they set to work to tear the breasts of the girls to pieces, which
in a short period of time led to the floor being flooded with blood. A blood
rage seized the Russians.

Continuously one of them brought more and more girls. Like in a red fog, I
saw the gruesome happenings again and again and I perceived the inhuman
screaming at the torture of their breasts and the loud groaning at the
mutilation of their private parts. When my legs failed me, I was forced into
a chair. The Commissar persistently watched me to make sure I was looking
toward the torture scenes. In fact, when I had to vomit, they even paused
with their tortures. One girl had not undressed completely, she may have
been somewhat older than the rest of the girls who were about 17-years old.
One of the torturers soaked her bra with oil and ignited it and, while she
cried out, another drove a thin iron rod into her vagina until it emerged at
her navel In the yard they liquidated entire groups of girls, after they had
selected the prettiest ones for the torture room. The air was filled with
the death cries of many hundreds of girls. But in view of what happened
here, the slaughter outside could be considered more humane. It was a
dreadful fact that not one of the girls brought into the torture room lost
her consciousness.

In their horror all were equal in their expressions. It was always the same;
the begging for mercy, the high-pitched scream when their breasts were cut
and their genitals mutilated. Several times the slaughter was interrupted to
sweep out the blood and to clear away the corpses.

That evening I sank into a severe nerve fever. From then on I lack any
recollection until the moment I awoke in a military hospital. German troops
had recaptured Neustettin temporarily, and had thus liberated us. As I
learned later, approximately 2,000 girls were murdered during the first
three days of the first round of Russian occupation."

Mrs. Leonora Geier, nee Cavoa

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Post by David Thompson » 02 Mar 2005 07:30

Werner Marty -- You said:
How the war was "won"
Some people of today, also Germans, thinks that Germany was "liberated" in
1945. This is the truth about that so called liberation!

The entire text of your post, including the Scandinavian quote, is taken without attribution from:

How the war was "won"
http://www.motstand.org/terror.html

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Post by kelty90 » 02 Mar 2005 09:25

There's a saying in Britain, that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". Also the one about "sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind!.
If the Germans had wanted a "decent", honourable, war, then they should have behaved like that themselves. if you start and continue a war of utmost barbarity, as the Germans did, you cannot complain when some of the victims treat their aggresor as they were treated themselves.
And, yes, I really do class the Red Army as victims; their country was attacked, they did nothing to deserve what the Germans did to the USSR. Most of the Red army soldiers in Germany in 1945 would have been at home in civilian life if Germany had not attacked them. Basically, if you can't stand the heat...

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Post by GeneralSeydlitz » 02 Mar 2005 22:42

kelty90 wrote:There's a saying in Britain, that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". Also the one about "sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind!.
If the Germans had wanted a "decent", honourable, war, then they should have behaved like that themselves. if you start and continue a war of utmost barbarity, as the Germans did, you cannot complain when some of the victims treat their aggresor as they were treated themselves.
And, yes, I really do class the Red Army as victims; their country was attacked, they did nothing to deserve what the Germans did to the USSR. Most of the Red army soldiers in Germany in 1945 would have been at home in civilian life if Germany had not attacked them. Basically, if you can't stand the heat...


I would like to see you when your telling this one of those girls face-to-face.
A german aphorism: "Die wirkungsvollste Art, sich zu rächen, ist, einfach besser zu sein." ("The most effective way to revenge is simply being better.")
Another saying: "Gewalt erzeugt Gegengewalt." ("Violence produces counterviolence.") Can you see the circle closing?
Anyone with somewhat mental maturity is aware of the fact that "an eye for an eye" is probably the most primitive and stupid way to punish a crime. Doesn't look like that.
In diesem Sinne... :x

Pardon me if I react a bit emotional, but it's awful to see that some people seem as if they had nothing from history and especially from ww1&ww2.
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Post by David Thompson » 02 Mar 2005 23:25

GeneralSeydlitz -- Please post translations for non-English expressions, so all the readers can follow what you're saying.

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Post by Der Alte » 03 Mar 2005 03:52

The site quoted is a neo ns site with an political message, I dont think it is wise use it as a source.

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Post by Beppo Schmidt » 03 Mar 2005 04:07

If the Germans had wanted a "decent", honourable, war, then they should have behaved like that themselves. if you start and continue a war of utmost barbarity, as the Germans did, you cannot complain when some of the victims treat their aggresor as they were treated themselves.


Women and little girls were not "their aggressor". Plus "they started it!!" isn't the most mature justification I've ever heard of. The Russian rapists should have had their necks stretched every bit as much as the German ones.

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Post by David Thompson » 03 Mar 2005 04:23

Since the story of Leonora Geier, nee Cavoa do not support the sweeping conclusions of the original post:

How the war was "won"
Some people of today, also Germans, thinks that Germany was "liberated" in
1945. This is the truth about that so called liberation!

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