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SS & Polizei staff in Lyon, France

Post by trafalgar » 02 Mar 2005 10:40

Do any of you know what high ranking SS, Polizei, Abweher, etc. that operated in Lyon, France during world war 2? I know Klaus Barbie operated there from i believe 1942 to the end of the war. What I really need is names of SS officers and abweher.

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Post by Phil Nix » 02 Mar 2005 11:39

Kdr Sipo and SD Lyon;
Rolf Muller 1.43 - 4.43
Fritz Hollert 4.43 - 3.7.43
DR Werner Knab 3.7.43 - 8.1944
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Post by trafalgar » 02 Mar 2005 12:28

Thanks for the names. One thing though. I looked the names up on Google and could not find any information on these people. Do you know of any sites? Pictures? Stories? Information? Anything. Also - and please dont think im an ignorant ass- but I didn't understand the first bit: Kdr Sipo and SD Lyon; which of the names were for Sipo and which were for SD? Sorry, I needed to clarify.
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Post by Exxley » 02 Mar 2005 12:38

head of Amt IV B in Lyon was Erich Bartelmus.
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/delestraint/p4.htm

according to this link, before Bartelmus, another officer named Wenzl was in charge of the Amt IV B.

The name of another member of KdS Lyon is given here:
Weisz was assigned to recruit the former SS Colonel Gunther Bernau, who had been part of Klaus Barbie’s (1913-1991) Gestapo network in Lyon,


http://www.eaec.org/newsletters/2004/NL2004Jan.htm

Kdr SiPo und SD means the officer was the actual KdS there, aka Kommandeur der Sicherheitspolizei und des Sicherheitsdienstes (Commander of the Sipo and SD in a general commissariat; subordinate to the BdS). Its the same rank, in other words. Therefore Kdr SiPo und SD Lyon = KdS Lyon.

check this thread for any abbreviations you might not understand:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=9397&highlight=kommandeur+der+sipo

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Post by Phil Nix » 02 Mar 2005 13:37

Phil Nix wrote:Kdr Sipo and SD Lyon;
Rolf Muller 1.43 - 4.43
Fritz Hollert 4.43 - 3.7.43
DR Werner Knab 3.7.43 - 8.1944
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Heinz Hollert born 5.8.1912, SS Nr 95215 Party Nr 1490411 Untersturmführer 11.9.1938
Dr Werner Knab born 18.12.1908 SS Nr 191584 Party nr 2269940 joined SS as Hsf 9.11.38 Sbf 20.4.39 Obsbf 21.6.43
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Dr Werner Knab

Post by steve248 » 02 Mar 2005 17:40

Knab previously with Stapo Munich and BdS Kiew (staff) before coming to Lyon as KdS.
He is believed to have been killed when US aircraft strafed the Berlin-Munich autobahn
on which he was travelling, March 1945. Notwithstanding this, he was sentenced to death
in absentia by a Military Tribunal in Lyon, 1954.

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Other cities in France

Post by Schloss Adler » 02 Mar 2005 20:43

Hi Phil,

Would you happen to have the names of the Kdr Sipo & SD commanders in other major cities in France. Namely, Montpellier, Toulouse, Vichy, Nice, Limoges, Chalons sur Marne, Nancy, Dijon, Rennes, Poiters, Angers and St. Quentin.

Thanks,

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Post by JPK » 02 Mar 2005 20:52

Bonsoir

OUI merci d'avance.

Yes.Thanks a lot

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Re: Other cities in France

Post by Phil Nix » 04 Mar 2005 11:17

Schloss Adler wrote:Hi Phil,

Would you happen to have the names of the Kdr Sipo & SD commanders in other major cities in France. Namely, Montpellier, Toulouse, Vichy, Nice, Limoges, Chalons sur Marne, Nancy, Dijon, Rennes, Poiters, Angers and St. Quentin.

Thanks,

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This list is not complete datewise but I hope it helps
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Post by Max Williams » 04 Mar 2005 14:48

Can I ask what the sources are for your notes please, Phil?
Thanks.
Best regards,
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Post by Phil Nix » 04 Mar 2005 18:57

Much of the data comes from my long term research ally Georges Jerome
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Thank you

Post by Schloss Adler » 09 Mar 2005 20:07

Thank you for your assistance...

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Sipo in France

Post by steve248 » 10 Mar 2005 08:36

I have some alternative KdS identifications to those posted above:

KdS Bordeaux
Hans Luther not Erich Lutter

KdS Dijon
Wilhelm Hülf not Wilhelm Hult
August Meier, KdS before Hülf

KdS Limoges
August Meier not Anton Meier

KdS Nancy
Franz Hoth was "Kommissarisch Beauftragter" when appointed, Nov 1943

KdS Nice
I do not think Nice was a KdS office

KdS Poitiers
Hermann Herold not Richard Herold

KdS Rennes
Dr Hermann Heerdt not Gustav Herd

KdS Vichy
I believe it was the "gefallen" SS-Hstuf Hugo Geissler not Georg Geissler,
succeeded by Boemelburg

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Post by Phil Nix » 11 Mar 2005 11:00

Thanks Steve I will up date my list
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Walther Bierkamp

Post by steve248 » 11 Mar 2005 15:24

Incidentally, I am not convinced by your entry for Walter Bierkamp with BdS France.

There is a Heydrich order of 12 February 1941 (letterhead of RSHA I C (a) 1a) addressed to SS-Ostubaf ORuKR Walter Bierkamp "z.Zt. beim Befehlshaber der Sicherheitspolizei und des SD in Den Haag" cancelling his existing appointment as Kripoleiter Hamburg and appointing him Inspekteur, IdS Wehrkreis VI (Düsseldorf), with effect from 15 Feb 1941.
(DDR files at Berlin-Hoppegarten, ZR 523 Akte I p. 63).

Bierkamp was a suicide on 15 May 1945 at Scharbeutz (near his home); Mark Yerger in his "Allgemeine SS..." gives an incorrect explanation and date of death.

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